Remove zoom from aircraft sight picture (front view)

[dirtdart]

To keep in line with the GV gunsight modelling. 

[vafiii]

It does make sense but I always use zoom when I'm on someone's 6. Without zoom those targets are very small. Miss zoom mode in GV gun sights. But you're right, zoom mode is unrealistic.

[Krusty]

Zoom in tanks is fixed for a reason.

It is NOT the same reason as in planes.

In planes we have a very wide FOV to simulate peripheral vision. Because of this, we cannot make out details on anything. Max zoom is supposed to give us the details we would see in normal vision at any given time, only we'd see that without losing peripheral vision as well.

Tanks don't have peripheral vision in their scopes. The max zoom capability was making a mockery of historic capabilities. 7k shots with great reliability, shooting well outside of historically reported distances, etc... None of that was realistic.

Your post is a GV-oriented whine disguised as a request.


EDIT: You want zoom? Pay the perks. Rides that historically had zoom modes have them in AH now.

[dirtdart]

Well Krusty, yes it is a GV whine, not thinly veiled I might add.  The point is imagine no zoom playing on min sys requirements.  Would be tough at best.  The point is, if you argue the change in zoom for tanks for the sake of realism etc... then...

1.  disallow zoom in planes for realism sake, you want wider FOV, buy track IR.
2.  disallow custom sights, only use the sights the plane flew with orginally.

My entire point is, the old sight model, although "unrealistic" was useable.  The excuse I keep hearing about "realism" is poor.  In my mind, consistency throughout the game ... or not.  

In planes we have a very wide FOV to simulate peripheral vision. Because of this, we cannot make out details on anything. Max zoom is supposed to give us the details we would see in normal vision at any given time, only we'd see that without losing peripheral vision as well.

 

Ok so if that is the intent, then limit the zoom to 2x.  Right now I can zoom the same as I could in a tank, in a plane.  There is no reason for that.  Fighter pilots were probably less likely to roll binos than a TC.  

[gyrene81]

hmmmm...would that include getting rid of zoom in the commanders view, aircraft and ship/shore gunners, bomb sights, etc...etc...etc..., or just limiting it to a more realistic level?

supply everyone with a good reliable head tracking program and getting rid of it would not bother me...

[The Fugitive]

I don't USE zoom, because I PLAY the game, not GAME the game.

[MK-84]

Well Krusty, yes it is a GV whine, not thinly veiled I might add.  The point is imagine no zoom playing on min sys requirements.  Would be tough at best.  The point is, if you argue the change in zoom for tanks for the sake of realism etc... then...

1.  disallow zoom in planes for realism sake, you want wider FOV, buy track IR.
2.  disallow custom sights, only use the sights the plane flew with orginally.

My entire point is, the old sight model, although "unrealistic" was useable.  The excuse I keep hearing about "realism" is poor.  In my mind, consistency throughout the game ... or not.  
 

Ok so if that is the intent, then limit the zoom to 2x.  Right now I can zoom the same as I could in a tank, in a plane.  There is no reason for that.  Fighter pilots were probably less likely to roll binos than a TC.  

Not having zoom would hurt some of us players that do not want to buy track ir, and have little monitors. (I use a laptop) 

[Lusche]

Not having zoom would hurt some of us players that do not want to buy track ir

What has zoom to do with TrackIr? 

[Tec]

I don't USE zoom, because I PLAY the game, not GAME the game.

That's GREAT, keep being AWESOME, your PLAQUE is on the way.

Hence why we have zoom, and Icons, it is to give you the functionality you have in real life. But there is absolutly no way to duplicate real eyeballs in real space on a monitor with out adding information in a different manner than you have in real lift. Hence why we have the items  like icons,ranges, and zoom to duplicate the fuctionality you have in real life.

HiTech

[Lusche]

hmmmm...would that include getting rid of zoom in the commanders view, aircraft and ship/shore gunners, bomb sights, etc...etc...etc..., or just limiting it to a more realistic level?

I'd say a more realistic level. Not getting rid of zoom, but adjusting the relative levels. As of now, the standard magnifying tank gunner sight (Panzer, M4, T34 etc.)  has about the same magnification as any pilot in game has with his bare eyes.

[MK-84]

What has zoom to do with TrackIr? 

Luche ya gotta read the post I quoted

I was responding to a post that essentially told me to buy something I dont want because it conflicts with their wishes

[Lusche]

I don't USE zoom, because I PLAY the game, not GAME the game.

Using a function deliberaty included in the game for this specific purpose is now "gaming the game"?

[MK-84]

I need the zoom, I cant tell how a plane is oriented very well unless I'm on top of it without zooming in a bit.   I do not see a reason to allow as much magnifaction as it does, but it doesnt bother me that its there.

[iron650]

hmmmm...would that include getting rid of zoom in the commanders view, aircraft and ship/shore gunners, bomb sights, etc...etc...etc..., or just limiting it to a more realistic level?

supply everyone with a good reliable head tracking program and getting rid of it would not bother me...

Then for zoom in it you use a commander binoculars?

[dirtdart]

I need the zoom, I cant tell how a plane is oriented very well unless I'm on top of it without zooming in a bit.   I do not see a reason to allow as much magnifaction as it does, but it doesnt bother me that its there.

Me too.  

My entire point is that some defend change for the sake of "realism" but are unwilling to embrace it in other aspects of the game.  Personally I do not like losing the old sight system and now I just don't GV much.  Then I read all of the warm remarks of realism...encourage perk rides etc... let it ride for a bit.  I have seen guys in here argue over whether or not a plane had 250 or 260 rds of ammo for realism sake, so to what extent are we willing to accept or sacrafice "realism", and at what point does it detract from the quality of gameplay? 

It will be interesting to see in a few months, when there is enough data, 1. Whether or not the new system is encouraging play vice discouraging. 2.  Encouraging spawn camping vice open field fighting.