The famous "Enola gay" and "boxcar"

[Tyrannis]

any chance of us getting these 2 skins added to the list? or anyone possibly working on them currently?

just seems sort-of wrong to leave these 2 historic skins off the list 

[clerick]

any chance of us getting these 2 skins added to the list? or anyone possibly working on them currently?

just seems sort-of wrong to leave these 2 historic skins off the list 

Boxcar would be lame, or did you mean "Bockscar?"

[mbailey]

I dont believe the "Silverplate" 29s are modeled.

Poem about the 509th  on Tinian:

Into the air the secret rose,
Where they're going, nobody knows.
Tomorrow they'll return again,
But we'll never know where they've been.
Don't ask us about results or such,
Unless you want to get in Dutch.
But take it from one who is sure of the score,
The 509th is winning the war. ----

From what ive read, it was writted by other B29'ers responding to the fact that they (509th) were never on many bombing missions over Japan.They would take off, and come back and not be able to talk about what they were doing.

[Krusty]

I agree they are not fitting skins for the bomber we have in-game. Silver plate were practically unarmed and had the turrets removed and metal plates faired over the holes.

Let's stick with skins that "fit" the role and mission of our in-game B-29, rather than a lighter, unarmed, rarey-saw-combat specialized markings of Enola Gay or BocksCar.

[Tyrannis]

I agree they are not fitting skins for the bomber we have in-game. Silver plate were practically unarmed and had the turrets removed and metal plates faired over the holes.

Let's stick with skins that "fit" the role and mission of our in-game B-29, rather than a lighter, unarmed, rarey-saw-combat specialized markings of Enola Gay or BocksCar.

i understand your point.

But cmon, as far as i know, AH has the ONLY flyable B29 in a game, and your going to say that the 2 most famous B29's in history should  be excluded? surely exceptions could be made, atleast for just these 2 skins.

[olds442]

I agree they are not fitting skins for the bomber we have in-game. Silver plate were practically unarmed and had the turrets removed and metal plates faired over the holes.

Let's stick with skins that "fit" the role and mission of our in-game B-29, rather than a lighter, unarmed, rarey-saw-combat specialized markings of Enola Gay or BocksCar.

The above is true but...
We have a Russian C47 skin that should have a 20mm cannon in a turret on top when it does not.

We have a BREWSTER B239 skin that is US when the real US version was the F2A and was very different.

We have a JAP C47 that should have JAP instruments in the cockpit.
etc.etc.etc

so as you can see we have skins in game that do not "fit" the role of themselfs

[Krusty]

you're picking minor points, which can easily be picked right back. All minor points. If you'd like I can go into those line by line.

The issue with the B-29 is a pretty fundamental one. BocksCar and EnolaGay didn't see regular combat. They only saw specialized training and A-bomb dropping.


Now, if you want to suggest other silverplate skins, that's another matter. There were quite a few that flew missions over Japan dropping bombs. But Enola Gay? Nope. For all intents and purposes it's what you could consider a non-combat skin 


(I know I'm going to take flak for that comment, but so be it!)

[Guppy35]

I'm with the it doesn't make sense to skin them as they didn't drop any regular bombs, and last I checked we're not getting Nukes, crowd.

[EskimoJoe]

My thoughts on this matter.

Both are historical skins, and have a lot of history to them, therefore should be added on that basis.

However, they both have been glamorized and seen enough fame. We should really give those two slots
to a pair of B-29s who received far less glory for a relatively similar amount of history.

[lyric1]

i understand your point.

But cmon, as far as i know, AH has the ONLY flyable B29 in a game, and your going to say that the 2 most famous B29's in history should  be excluded? surely exceptions could be made, atleast for just these 2 skins.

So what did the skins look like during the war? In the case of Bocks car I can assure you it looked nothing like what is at the Airforce museum today. Enola Gay was the same.

[Tyrannis]

So what did the skins look like during the war? In the case of Bocks car I can assure you it looked nothing like what is at the Airforce museum today. Enola Gay was the same.

Enola Gay

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Bockscar
Bockscar is the one that confuses me. because i found this card showing it with these markings.


But a website stating all the b29s that were in the 509th states it had these symbols

[B-17]

Maybe the painters realized they failed. 

[lyric1]

Enola Gay
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Bockscar
Bockscar is the one that confuses me. because i found this card showing it with these markings.
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But a website stating all the b29s that were in the 509th states it had these symbols
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As I said Enola Gay correct. Bockscar is not.

[lyric1]

Scroll through these 17 photos of Bockscar & you will see what I am talking about.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=527

[MarineUS]

For all intents and purposes it's what you could consider a non-combat skin 

They are actually talking about something similar in the P40 thread.

We have the "STUD" skin in-game and it was a personal ride for an officer. It never saw combat. 325FG/319FS skin by Octavius.
Juuuuust sayin'.