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Offline dtango

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Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« on: August 14, 2011, 01:17:18 PM »
Infusing the topic with areo-geek maths of power-to-weight, wing-loading, & max level speed...grizz, I see your venn diagram and raise you a....

...Quasi Performance Meter....   :devil





Here's how you read it.....






As for "EZ" vs. "hard", here's my take on it  :devil :devil :devil





Please debate among yourselves...
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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2011, 01:22:42 PM »
Hm, looked good until I saw bf110c placement relative to B-239, A6Ms, etc.

Needs some refinements, IMO.

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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2011, 01:25:40 PM »
You're the light in the darkness on this board Tango! :) Sniff. :cry

Only problem of your meter is the constant prop eff which causes discrepensies like the placement of the I-16 on your diagram but generally, it works very well. :)
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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2011, 01:29:27 PM »
Where is ballistics on this?

What good is a 109K4 performance wise if the pilot can't aim the gun?

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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2011, 01:31:52 PM »
Where is ballistics on this?

What good is a 109K4 performance wise if the pilot can't aim the gun?

I doubt Tango was entirely serious with this. ;) But yeh, it doesn't take armament into account which is very important attribute for a fighter. :)
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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2011, 01:32:46 PM »
I doubt Tango was entirely serious with this. ;) But yeh, it doesn't take armament into account which is very important attribute for a fighter. :)

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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2011, 01:36:24 PM »
Where is ballistics on this?

What good is a 109K4 performance wise if the pilot can't aim the gun?

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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2011, 01:39:20 PM »
zomg what will be the next?
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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2011, 01:52:23 PM »
When one talks about EZ mode, they are talking about EZ mode for most players. If most player flew their planes to their planes strengths and fought with them in there 'element' I think the faster planes would generally fall under EZ mode, but that is not the case, most players almost instinctively go for angles. Maybe a better graph would compare optimal corner speeds or optimal sustained turn speeds. Also plane 'handling', although hard to quantify makes a huge difference. For example a k4 or tempest when it is slow requires much more throttle attention than say a spit 5 due to the torque.
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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2011, 02:24:07 PM »
Chart weights everything equally and doesn't even try to put values to some characteristics.
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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2011, 02:41:49 PM »
Dtango, can I get a copy of the data you used to make this graph?  I would be curious to change the graph from 2D to 3D and separate T/W and S/W on different axis?  Can you also add the ME163 and ME262?


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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2011, 03:10:06 PM »
EZ to fly or EZ to get a kill with or EZ to survive or EZ to turn or what? lol

What makes a plane EZ mode?  THAT is the question. :rock
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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2011, 03:10:33 PM »
  I,m not finding teh P-20 on the chart  :(


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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2011, 03:38:11 PM »
EZ to fly or EZ to get a kill with or EZ to survive or EZ to turn or what? lol

What makes a plane EZ mode?  THAT is the question. :rock
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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2011, 03:54:25 PM »
dtango,

The Mosquito Mk VI's max speed at sea level is 357mph in AH, not the 348-349mph you seem to have it placed at.

By your chart that would make it one of the easiest aircraft in the game.  I am not sure that is really correct though.
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