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Offline Stoliman

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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2011, 01:22:13 PM »
Jesus Loon, it isn't a competition, just an opinion.  We all have'em.  Lighten up.

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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2011, 01:41:13 PM »
Just to get everyone back on track here...  :D



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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2011, 01:46:29 PM »
I've wondered before why they went with a short barrel (the Wehrmacht, not HTC :)) gun on some of the Panzer IVs.  As I understand it, it would be less capable vs armored targets, does it confer some sort of benefit that I'm not seeing?  ie can it do something that the long barrel couldn't?  Was it cheaper? Was it more readily available when the thank was first introduced? 


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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2011, 01:46:45 PM »
so why that barrel is so small? not talking about you.
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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2011, 01:58:03 PM »
Quote from: Soulyss on October 11, 2011, 01:46:29 PM
does it confer some sort of benefit that I'm not seeing? 

I'd imagine the shorter barrel would be a lot more effective in close quarters, like a forest road or in a town. Not to mention, the cost and time to produce would be less.

Just my view, I can't back it up with hard facts.
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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2011, 01:59:51 PM »
Quote from: Soulyss on October 11, 2011, 01:46:29 PM
I've wondered before why they went with a short barrel (the Wehrmacht, not HTC :)) gun on some of the Panzer IVs.  As I understand it, it would be less capable vs armored targets, does it confer some sort of benefit that I'm not seeing?  ie can it do something that the long barrel couldn't?  Was it cheaper? Was it more readily available when the thank was first introduced?  

Longer barreled, high velocity guns were a later step in the evolution of tanks. When the IV appeared with the short 75 (pre-war), the other "main" tank, the Panzer III was equipped with a 37mm gun. And compared to that, the short 75mm was a significant improvement particularly when facing non-armored targets.
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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2011, 02:10:17 PM »
Quote from: Lusche on October 11, 2011, 01:59:51 PM
Longer barreled, high velocity guns were a later step in the evolution of tanks. When the IV appeared with the short 75 (pre-war), the other "main" tank, the Panzer III was equipped with a 37mm gun. And compared to that, the short 75mm was a significant improvement particularly when facing non-armored targets.


Exactly.  The Mark IV was the infantry support tank, the III was the anti-tank tank.

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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2011, 02:24:17 PM »
You have to remember that at the beginning of WW2, many leaders still thought of tanks as just infantry support vehicles.  Tank vs tank fighting was thought to be a rare occurrence, and tanks where looked upon more like armored calvery to fight infantry and fortified emplacements with.  Smaller, short barrelled, lower velocity guns were the go to tank armament because of that philosophy.
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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2011, 02:42:04 PM »
Beautiful and wonderful new toys HTC! :aok
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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2011, 02:46:03 PM »
Im wondering how would the short barrelled gun perform vs the t34's 76mm one.
Is it capable to kill anything but lvts, jeeps and halftracks?
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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2011, 03:06:41 PM »
its true look at front page

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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2011, 03:29:04 PM »
that would be too much work fugitive...
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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #43 on: October 11, 2011, 03:30:14 PM »
Quote from: Debrody on October 11, 2011, 02:46:03 PM
Im wondering how would the short barrelled gun perform vs the t34's 76mm one.
Is it capable to kill anything but lvts, jeeps and halftracks?
lower velocity ammunition. not as much range. lower long range accuracy.
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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #44 on: October 11, 2011, 03:30:15 PM »
Quote from: gyrene81 on October 11, 2011, 03:29:04 PM
that would be too much work fugitive...

I know, long day at school. It's asking wayyyyyyy to much  :devil
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