Should A20 loose it's F3 mode

[Vinkman]

it takes no time at all to be silent and let the pilot assume that thre is nothing to report....unlike having to actualy check a gunner possition and realise there is nothing to report there yourself. 9 seconds is more than enough time for a crew to report a contact to the pilot unless there is a con to report from every single viewpoint

yes but that's a bit of a null set answer isn't it. so we need F3 and all the lameness it provides in order to avoid a couple of 9 second trips around the bomber to look for enemies, because those trips are too much trouble? IF you really weight that on a scale does it come up even to you Bat? 

[E25280]

yes but that's a bit of a null set answer isn't it. so we need F3 and all the lameness it provides in order to avoid a couple of 9 second trips around the bomber to look for enemies, because those trips are too much trouble? IF you really weight that on a scale does it come up even to you Bat? 

Lameness is in the eye of the beholder.

The funny part is that you are blinded to the fact that F3 is HiTech's thought-out and designed concept to compensate for a known weakness.  It didn't get introduced on accident and doesn't remain because it is an oversight. 

Despite F3 view, bombers of all types remain easy targets 95% of the time.  Yet people allow themselves to be blinded by the 5% "problem" (which is also purely subjective) and think they have a right to harm further the other 95%.

[wil3ur]

Also... setting up your views in cockpit helps a lot.  Many planes have horrible views by default, but with a little tweaking, they're not bad.  I find the IL2 is easier to see out of than many blue planes.

[coombz]

yes but that's a bit of a null set answer isn't it. so we need F3 and all the lameness it provides

exactly what is this 'all the lameness it provides'?!?!  seriously...I'd like to know what is such a big deal

can't remember seeing a Boston land any kills since that loudmouth JUGler was active   so to my mind it's hardly flooding the arenas with gameyness or 'lame' exploiting of an unfair advantage

I understand it's not 100% realistic, but many things in this game aren't  

[wil3ur]

You could always create a custom arena, disable F3 for all hangars, then challenge the guy you think is using F3 and beating you to a duel and see if he still wins...  You may be suprised to see that the A20 has decent views and is still a very manuverable buff that's still a huge threat.

You'd do better to learn the moves that telegraph their lagrolls and hammerheads and how to defend against them.  F3 is a tool, but without a skilled pilot, they just get a better view of their plane going down in flames.

[mechanic]

yes but that's a bit of a null set answer isn't it. so we need F3 and all the lameness it provides in order to avoid a couple of 9 second trips around the bomber to look for enemies, because those trips are too much trouble? IF you really weight that on a scale does it come up even to you Bat?  

I was only replying to your statement, but besides I do think that 9 seconds is way too long to waste when it wouldn't have had to be so arduous in real life. 9 seconds is a long time in a fight.


I just can't put A20 having F3 view even in my top 50 lame things that can be done in AH.

[james]

What about f3 view only in turret position?

[Beefcake]

Also... setting up your views in cockpit helps a lot.  Many planes have horrible views by default, but with a little tweaking, they're not bad.  I find the IL2 is easier to see out of than many blue planes.

You don't fly bombers do you? In all of the new bomber models you can't even move around the cockpit like you could in the old ones. On planes like the B25, B29, and the Betty you cannot sit or "move over" into the copilots seat and thus your view on that side is severely hindered.

[Vinkman]

I was only replying to your statement, but besides I do think that 9 seconds is way too long to waste when it wouldn't have had to be so arduous in real life. 9 seconds is a long time in a fight.


I just can't put A20 having F3 view even in my top 50 lame things that can be done in AH.

It's 9 sec before you're in a fight. Once you're fighting you have to be in the gun positions [we're talking buffs now] anyway. So having to jump to gun positions to look for bandits is a non-issue. And as such is not an excuse for keeping F3 around. That was my point. 

Oh I never said it was in my top 50 lame things. 

[Beefcake]

Honestly if HTC were to make a change I think the simplest one would be to remove the ability to fire guns or drop bombs from F3. Even though I'm a buff pilot through and through I still think that's a bit gamey. However, the removal of F3 view completely from all bombers would absolutely destroy them IMO.

[Vinkman]

However, the removal of F3 view completely from all bombers would absolutely destroy them IMO.

Why is that Beefcake? Not trying to be argumentative, but I like flying bombers and jumping to the different positions and experiencing the mission from the various crew member's perspective. It's hard for me to see what so much better about F3 mode. 

[mechanic]

Then why take it away?

[Tilt]

Then  (by the same logic)  why keep it?

[mechanic]

because limiting the IL2 in the same way halved its usage and therefore lessened the fun to be had in the game as a whole by a fraction

[Krusty]

If it's usage was an artificially inflated game byproduct of a capability it never had to begin with, is it a problem to halve the usage?

You're saying its use was cut down.... So?

C202 doesn't see much use either. That doesn't mean you should enable F3 to artificially inflate its capabilities beyond what it should be.