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Offline Guppy35

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Re: P-47.
« Reply #45 on: December 09, 2011, 04:22:42 AM »
When I've flown a Jug I take the D-40 if only because it reminds me of all those 9th AF ground attack guys who stuck their necks out doing really dangerous job.
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Re: P-47.
« Reply #46 on: December 09, 2011, 07:51:42 AM »
The D11 is the fighter model. The others are various types of trainers.
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Re: P-47.
« Reply #47 on: December 09, 2011, 08:24:47 AM »
The D-25 cannot out accelerate the D-40 if the pilot knows what he's doing.  Its the same airframe with a more powerful engine in the D-40.  If you've chased down an N in the D-25, then the N pilot was either out of WEP, or not paying attention, as it possesses a whopping 600 more HP on WEP than the D-25, while only weighing in a bit heavier (relatively speaking).  


As for high-altitude combat, the ability of the Jug series to make basically sea level power at 30,000 feet is what makes it so deadly.  Thank the designers for that turbo system instead of a supercharger--a indicator of its design use being as an interceptor rather than a pursuit fighter.  But, fighting at that altitude requires a completely different skill set than most AH2 pilots possess from in-game experience, as you must be more patient, more methodical, and keep speed on the plane at the detriment of maneuvering.  The energy equations at those altitudes are completely different than they are at typical AH altitudes, and will humble you quickly if you don't adjust your flying technique.

I mark the whole series except for the N and M as some of the most difficult aircraft to master in-game, which is why Bluekitty, Yucca, and some of those folks were so impressive to watch in the D models...




Preffered the "N", he said he could "move it around a bit better"  (don't confuse this with turning or clmbing better), and I agree.




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Re: P-47.
« Reply #48 on: December 09, 2011, 08:55:46 AM »
 The N and D40 retain E far better than the others, The M has more raw power, the D11 turns the best


The D25 is in its own world of suck, yet it is my favorite!




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Re: P-47.
« Reply #49 on: December 09, 2011, 09:44:52 AM »
The D-25 cannot out accelerate the D-40 if the pilot knows what he's doing.  Its the same airframe with a more powerful engine in the D-40.  If you've chased down an N in the D-25, then the N pilot was either out of WEP, or not paying attention, as it possesses a whopping 600 more HP on WEP than the D-25, while only weighing in a bit heavier (relatively speaking).  


D-25 and D-40 acceleration are the same, but you are right if the pilot knows what he's doing. In fact, both jugs equal or nearly close to equal on all aspects of performance except the D-40 slightly better climb rate with WEP, D-25 slightly better on turn raids with no flaps and D-40 a hair better on turn raids with flaps.

Going back to acceleration. When I say I accelerated better than the D-40 that may because my load out. I never used %100 or %75 fuel. I also used the smaller load of the six gun package.
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Re: P-47.
« Reply #50 on: December 09, 2011, 02:13:34 PM »
D-25 and D-40 acceleration are the same, but you are right if the pilot knows what he's doing. In fact, both jugs equal or nearly close to equal on all aspects of performance except the D-40 slightly better climb rate with WEP, D-25 slightly better on turn raids with no flaps and D-40 a hair better on turn raids with flaps.

Going back to acceleration. When I say I accelerated better than the D-40 that may because my load out. I never used %100 or %75 fuel. I also used the smaller load of the six gun package.

D40 has more WEP horsepower with the same airframe, with 2600 HP available versus the 2200 HP on the D-25.  In a drag race at the same weight, it has to accelerate better.  With more power, its also going to have better sustained turn performance with WEP (note, not necessarily reflected in the turn radius), because it has more power available with the same power required.  The reason the D-40 has better climb rate is because of its higher power with WEP.  The D-25 has the same power as the D-11, but has the high-activity propeller (aka "paddleblade), which is reflected in the better climb rate.  It has a slower speed because of the wing pylons.

When comparing the D-25 and D-40, make sure you use the same load out, because they should have basically the same weight.  Personally, I never felt the 6-gun package was worth the loss in firepower.  But, if you do use it, remember that the only weight advantage is by using the 6-gun, light ammo load, as the 6-gun, heavy ammo load weighs more than the 8-gun, light ammo load.  For the D11, I always used the 8-gun light load, and 100% internal, with a drop.  Legs are too short to take off with less, IMO.  For the later model D's, I usually went with 75% internal and no drop.  For the N, it was always 50% internal, center drop.
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Re: P-47.
« Reply #51 on: December 09, 2011, 02:35:49 PM »
Ever try 3 drops and 25% in a N (with 6 guns light)?  :D

It's interesting. Definitely gamey, too. But interesting. Fly to the fight and drop the tanks to engage. You get about 1 or 2 quick fights and then have to worry about getting home as you're on fumes.

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Re: P-47.
« Reply #52 on: December 09, 2011, 02:56:10 PM »
Personally, I'd rank them, in order of performance:  P-47M, P-47N, P-47D40, P-47D25, P-47D11 and in that order of air-to-air combat ability as well.

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Re: P-47.
« Reply #53 on: December 09, 2011, 03:01:50 PM »
Ever try 3 drops and 25% in a N (with 6 guns light)?  :D

It's interesting. Definitely gamey, too. But interesting. Fly to the fight and drop the tanks to engage. You get about 1 or 2 quick fights and then have to worry about getting home as you're on fumes.

%50 is the most i put in with no DT. 
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Re: P-47.
« Reply #54 on: December 09, 2011, 04:06:43 PM »
It gives you about 5 mins (with WEP) if I recall. So you take all 3 DTs in case you need to wing up or escort or whatever... then when you find the fight jetison all and tally ho! I've turned some heads doing that. Even caught one of my squaddies by surprise "How the heck did you stay vertical chasing him so long?!" (hung on my prop chasing a faster bogey).

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Re: P-47.
« Reply #55 on: December 09, 2011, 06:16:22 PM »
p47's suck, fear the mighty pony  :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:.   .....to be honest except for lilmak (100% sure he cheats  :mad:   :noid) plus the other guy who invented the tail drag.


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Re: P-47.
« Reply #56 on: December 10, 2011, 08:06:33 PM »
p47's suck, fear the mighty pony  :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:.   .....to be honest except for lilmak (100% sure he cheats  :mad:   :noid) plus the other guy who invented the tail drag.


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I thought you are a 109 type.  Huh.



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Re: P-47.
« Reply #57 on: December 12, 2011, 01:23:26 PM »
I thought you are a 109 type.  Huh.





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Re: P-47.
« Reply #58 on: December 17, 2011, 04:59:03 PM »
M is an Lgay with 8 50's...plane has no soul. N not as maneuverable, but does neat stuff at lower speeds, where M falls outta the sky like a D9
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Re: P-47.
« Reply #59 on: December 18, 2011, 09:32:36 AM »
I think the M's true asset is as an high alt escort fighter, I'll take it over a pony any day over 25k.  Great high alt speed, 8 .50's for instantaneous severe punishment at good range, good fuel range, tough, and great diving ability.  Wonderful plane for that role :aok

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