KI-84 ? Is it Dissed?

[Ruah]

450 rounds of 20 mm is hard to top really.

[Motherland]

I really don't understand the mentality of 'wow, this is one of the best planes in the game, we need to make it better!'.
The 84 is a delightful aircraft and I don't see why it should be made into a HO-machine

[titanic3]

450 rounds of 20 mm is hard to top really.

I burn through the HO-5 ammo like butter, I usually run out of ammo before I run out of fuel in both Ki (61 and 84). That's with only 2 guns. I'm not a perfect shot but I'm not terrible either, so imagine what the average pilot must feel when he spends all 300 rounds for 2 or 3 planes.

With 4 guns (450 rounds) I'd bet the firing time would be even with 2 guns (300 rounds) if not less. It'd sure get you kills rather easily in snapshots, but if you're not a decent shot, you won't be getting a whole lot of kills.

[Krusty]

I have photos of it in operational status, I was kinda against it before hand due to being unable to find operational information on it - but more I checked more I see it was put in defense against B-29 raids in manchuria.

Define operational status? Only photos folks have been able to dredge up for YEARS are of dubious nature and NOT proof of anything. The most common photos show them resting at an airfield where they were stored for an invasion that never happened (though it was in Manchuria, an area I don't think our B-29s were targetting).

Of the planes supposedly built in this setup, the majority were held in reserve and never sent into action. Finding actual proof would be big news, indeed.


Are you willing to share said photos?

[nrshida]

Of the planes supposedly built in this setup, the majority were held in reserve and never sent into action.

[sarcasm]And naturally Krusty can substantiate this claim with credible sources. As he always can [/sarcasm]

Once again (I've lost count how many times I've tried to explain this) the Ko and the Otsu are virtually indistinguishable in external appearance.

[Karnak]

Define operational status? Only photos folks have been able to dredge up for YEARS are of dubious nature and NOT proof of anything. The most common photos show them resting at an airfield where they were stored for an invasion that never happened (though it was in Manchuria, an area I don't think our B-29s were targetting).

Of the planes supposedly built in this setup, the majority were held in reserve and never sent into action. Finding actual proof would be big news, indeed.


Are you willing to share said photos?

There is no evidence that they were held back.  You're making that up from whole cloth and then, when nobody can prove otherwise, declaring it the way it had to have been.

[Butcher]

Define operational status? Only photos folks have been able to dredge up for YEARS are of dubious nature and NOT proof of anything. The most common photos show them resting at an airfield where they were stored for an invasion that never happened (though it was in Manchuria, an area I don't think our B-29s were targetting).

Of the planes supposedly built in this setup, the majority were held in reserve and never sent into action. Finding actual proof would be big news, indeed.


Are you willing to share said photos?

Same photos on the runway, but the combat record of the 104th Sentai show the Otsu was used in combat, loses to B-29s were accounted over Manchuria - this is the best information I can gather, unless one of our japanese friends can get us some information on the 104th.



Krusty you should know by know I require sourced information and proof - a Photo of the Otsu on runways along with a kill record for that squad could mean anything - but trying to prove without a doubt is going to be impossible.
I cannot get wartime records for the 104th Sentai, or any information on this squadron period - I know they operated different types of aircrafts, for all I know the Ki-43 could of been what shot down those B-29s.

I believe we all have the same information, question is does anyone have proof it was/wasn't in combat.

[Krusty]

Here's the logical flaw -- they (the unit) saw action. There is no doubt of this. WHICH PLANE they flew into combat is in doubt. Just a couple odd craft possibly attached to a unit doesn't mean they used them often if at all. On top of that, many Western authors have errors and mistakes about various marks and subvariants. Even Francillon has fabricated false variants (that never existed) on some planes before!

The evidence so far supports it was not used in combat much if at all. Many of the end-of-war "uber" planes (not that I consider this one uber, but you get my point) were stored away and stockpiled for homeland invasion plans and the final defense of Japan itself. They were not committed nor were units trained and readied on them. There are some planes where THOUSANDS were made, and yet saw no combat. They were destroyed after the surrender, never having been used.

[Karnak]

here are some planes where THOUSANDS were made, and yet saw no combat. They were destroyed after the surrender, never having been used.

Which planes?  I've never heard of that happening on that scale.

[Slash27]

I really don't understand the mentality of 'wow, this is one of the best planes in the game, we need to make it better!'.
The 84 is a delightful aircraft and I don't see why it should be made into a HO-machine

It can ho rather well as it is, that's up to the person flying it. Two or four cannons won't change that. I don't understand the resistance to another variant.

[Ruah]

of all the new planes I would like to see added, the Otsu is pretty low on that list tbh.  1) it will 99% be perked, and 2) shudder at all the current niki pilots in a KI84 x4x20mm. . . I mean, why fly anything else.

[Slash27]

And it has to be perked based on?

[titanic3]

And it has to be perked based on?

If the Spit 16 isn't perked, then the Otsu never will. Definitely 5 ENY though, maybe 8.

[Slash27]

If the Spit 16 isn't perked, then the Otsu never will. Definitely 5 ENY though, maybe 8.

Same with the 3 cannon La-7 and N1KJ-2

[titanic3]

Same with the 3 cannon La-7 and N1KJ-2

Although the Ki-84 is one of the three planes that can beat every prop plane in game if flown properly.

Ki-84, F4U-4, and Spit16 will outfly practically everything else assuming the pilot is top notch, though I've yet to see the "mythical" unbeatable pilot. (yes, I've heard about Kazaa, Grizz and others, I just haven't seen them ).