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Offline PFactorDave

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Re: DEVILS=v=BRIGADE
« Reply #60 on: April 04, 2012, 07:42:25 AM »
We do enjoy taking turns signing into Dallas' name and talkin trash to everyone. 

Pretty sure that that would be a violation of the Terms of Service.

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Re: DEVILS=v=BRIGADE
« Reply #61 on: April 04, 2012, 07:57:40 AM »
C'mon Dave man. You don't know his statement was designed for the sole purpose to get a heated response? This whole thread is for that purpose?  ;) FiveO better stick to traffic tickets because the sting operation ain't getting the bills paid.
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Re: DEVILS=v=BRIGADE
« Reply #62 on: April 04, 2012, 08:07:23 AM »
C'mon Dave man. You don't know his statement was designed for the sole purpose to get a heated response? This whole thread is for that purpose?  ;) FiveO better stick to traffic tickets because the sting operation ain't getting the bills paid.

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Re: DEVILS=v=BRIGADE
« Reply #63 on: April 04, 2012, 08:08:49 AM »
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Re: DEVILS=v=BRIGADE
« Reply #64 on: April 04, 2012, 08:11:49 AM »
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Re: DEVILS=v=BRIGADE
« Reply #65 on: April 04, 2012, 08:44:31 AM »
C'mon Dave man. You don't know his statement was designed for the sole purpose to get a heated response?

Obviously.

I hope that my pointing out the ToS violation wasn't viewed as heated.  Personally, I would agree that for the most part the vGuys aren't the biggest part of the horde problem.   On the Bishops side, the Alchemists (Chuwie) are the real horde masters.

I have always believed that the base taking squads have an important place in the Aces High ecology.  The base rollers are the first place of refuge for a high percentage of the brand new players.  The base takers are the ones posting missions and welcoming all who wish to participate to join in on their fun.  Many of you guys berating the hordes are the same guys who continually beat down new players, both in the sky and via ch200 or even worse, private message.   It is only natural that a new player, who has been getting his butt handed to him repeatedly, would seek refuge in these missions.  I often wonder how the game would change if the non base rolling squads went out of their way to take as many new guys under their wing as possible.  What if The Muppets or The Few (or whoever) was posting up missions frequently, advertising them, filling them with new guys, and accomplishing a goal.  Imagine the time a mission commander has during climbout, to talk with the guys in the mission.  To answer questions.  To teach another way to take bases, other then overwhelming force.   The opportunity to shape the new players early in their AH career is there.  Until now, the community seems to be perfectly willing to let squads like the Alchemists, or Devils Brigade, (insert whatever base rolling squad you like or dislike).

The missions give the new player a way to feel successful in this very steep learning curve game.  Also, the contact with other players (many of whom are at a similar noob skill level), gives the new guys a way to make contact with other players more on their level.  A way to bond with others who are like them.  This also serves to make these new guys feel like they are part of something and not just additional fodder for the experten lurking over head in their K4s and LAs, or griefing them in 262s.

Ideally, these new players will spend a period of time in the base rolling squad, learning the basic mechanics of the game.  Giving them just enough of a taste of success in the Aces High world that they eventually begin to seek out more.  Eventually, hopefully, they realize that if they are ever going to truly become skilled pilots they are going to have to branch out and seek out training that the base rolling squad cannot or will not provide.

They hopefully discover that constantly flying in a cloud of friendly aircraft does not present the challenge and experience necessary to make significant improvement.  

It is my hope, that squads like Devils Brigade, understand what their place really is in the ecology of the game.   Accept their role, enjoying the playstyle that they have chosen.  But always remembering that they should be helping the newer guys to truly grow in abilities.  Whether that means providing training as the new guys seek it, or by encouraging the new guys to spread their wings and leave the nest that the horde truly is, striking out on their own in search of the training and experience that they crave.

It is also my hope that the folks who so dislike the turn towards hording that the game seems to have taken, will take this as a clarion call to adopt a few new guys.  Get ahold of them before the hordes do.  Teach them to fish so that they may feed themselves one day, rather the allowing them to rely on the socialist horde for their every meal.

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Re: DEVILS=v=BRIGADE
« Reply #66 on: April 04, 2012, 08:54:42 AM »
Very good post Dave.  :aok
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Re: DEVILS=v=BRIGADE
« Reply #67 on: April 04, 2012, 08:57:34 AM »
My experiences with you guys:  nice guys, whenever I've had fights, sometimes chatting with a few of you afterwards.  I've flown on Bish and watched your squad capture a base.  It's not my idea of fun, simply because the numbers are too lopsided, but it's you guys doing what you like to do.

I do wish that some of your squad would stop being the 4th or 5th person to pile onto me in a fight though.

And finally, only one person in your squad has ever been a jerk towards me.  Wonder who?  lol
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Re: DEVILS=v=BRIGADE
« Reply #68 on: April 04, 2012, 08:59:49 AM »

It is my hope, that squads like Devils Brigade, understand what their place really is in the ecology of the game.   Accept their role, enjoying the playstyle that they have chosen.  But always remembering that they should be helping the newer guys to truly grow in abilities.  Whether that means providing training as the new guys seek it, or by encouraging the new guys to spread their wings and leave the nest that the horde truly is, striking out on their own in search of the training and experience that they crave.

It is also my hope that the folks who so dislike the turn towards hording that the game seems to have taken, will take this as a clarion call to adopt a few new guys.  Get ahold of them before the hordes do.  Teach them to fish so that they may feed themselves one day, rather the allowing them to rely on the socialist horde for their every meal.



Devils doesn't train players, however it's the players reality that he must choose, if he wants to attack static targets all day and pay $15 so be it, nobody will complain. However like all players you have to decide what do you want to do with your time, for example vBobo wants to check out FSO - he's more then welcome to fly with us to get a taste of FSO and a different squad setting. He might enjoy it or he might down right reject the idea.

I got tired of the typical base attacking years ago, its pretty boring really - back in the old days you took up a few 110s and N1ks and blow up a town with 6-7 guys and a goon pilot. I don't get the fun of flattening a base with over 20+, then again its suitable to some players so why not?

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Re: DEVILS=v=BRIGADE
« Reply #69 on: April 04, 2012, 09:15:00 AM »
Devils doesn't train players, however it's the players reality that he must choose, if he wants to attack static targets all day and pay $15 so be it, nobody will complain. However like all players you have to decide what do you want to do with your time

Well, I hope that you are at least partially wrong.  I don't know if the Devils Brigade offers any training or not.  I hope that they offer at least a little.  They certainly have a fantastic jabo trainer in their ranks, Jarbo.

I agree that players must choose their reality, but we as a community could (if we really wanted to) do a lot more to guide new players away from the security blanket that the horde is and more towards the exciting world of a good dog fight.

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Re: DEVILS=v=BRIGADE
« Reply #70 on: April 04, 2012, 09:18:51 AM »

I do wish that some of your squad would stop being the 4th or 5th person to pile onto me in a fight though.

Honestly Mir can you expect anything diff in the MA?

Maybe I dont understand what/or why some of you dislike what they do but why put yourself in that position to be ganged by them?

I had some nice fights with Vguys the other day and yes I had to chase a few of them down but hey who doesnt run in the MA.

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Re: DEVILS=v=BRIGADE
« Reply #71 on: April 04, 2012, 09:24:14 AM »
How many years does it take to learn the "basic mechanics" of the game?  Should be enough by now, but I geuss it'll take you longer if all you do is jabo ack #9 and #13 then pile onto any upper.
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Re: DEVILS=v=BRIGADE
« Reply #72 on: April 04, 2012, 09:26:11 AM »
Pretty sure that that would be a violation of the Terms of Service.

rob sent me a PM stating that several people have access to other members accounts in order to eject people in case of emergencies, which i think is a no no also.
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Re: DEVILS=v=BRIGADE
« Reply #73 on: April 04, 2012, 09:30:01 AM »
Honestly there the best squad in the game.  The own The Few who was previously the best.

I'd be careful using the term "best" so broadly.  I can think of one category that the vtards are "best" in.  The category of "highest odds in their favor" would belong to them.  They, as a group, are good at one thing: bringing in the 30v1 horde.  I've seen nothing else to the contrary.

In terms of precision or tactics outside of the horde mentality, there are a number of squads that are well tuned. The Claim Jumpers, 68th, and a number of other squads have the poise and ability, without over-whelming odds, to perform successfully a multitude of different type of missions.  Some squads are smaller yet highly attuned to certain types of missions, namely fighter sweeps and other such player vs player missions.  

FWIW, to the O/P, I'd put $100 on 10 of The Few vs 30 of the vTARDs in an air to air duel any day of the week.  Again, don't be so quick with the tongue on "who owns who", because in terms of talent the vtards dont have it.
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Re: DEVILS=v=BRIGADE
« Reply #74 on: April 04, 2012, 10:16:59 AM »
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