When to use/chop throttle

[mthrockmor]

I have been learning the 109, G2 primarily. In a tight stall fight when should I chop throttle? It makes sense that as you climb you max throttle with WEP. As your nose is turning over the top, when do you chop throttle? Right at the apex, or as your nose drops below the horizon? Or, somewhere in between?

Would you not need more throttle to pull your nose back up from a nose down position? Of course max throttle as your nose passes up through the horizon going back up.

Trying to get a sense for the best time to chop and max throttle.

Thanks in advance!
Boo

[JOACH1M]

I cut throttle thoughout the rolling scissor, I cut it more when I'm rolling over top of the enemy and cut wep off when he's trying to roll over on top of me.


http://www.mediafire.com/?4v7jnwvjw4gn01r

It's a zipped file with fights from Grizz and I.

[FLS]

I only cut throttle if I'm going to go too fast in a dive or when torque is an issue in a stall.

[ink]

I only cut throttle if I'm going to go too fast in a dive or when torque is an issue in a stall.

strange

every fight I am in I work the throttle, hell lots of time as I merge with someone I am full off the throttle.

[FLS]

strange

every fight I am in I work the throttle, hell lots of time as I merge with someone I am full off the throttle.

Throttle adds more energy (or loses less energy ) for a given maneuver.  I'm not saying you should have it on all the time. I'm just saying what I usually do. 

[Big Rat]

Lots of variables with throttle control, especially with the 109's.  Best way I found to teach throttle control is to fight someone very good with a 109 and have them describe what they are doing with the throttle as they do it, of course filming it from your end.  That way you can watch their plane with their commentary as to where their throttle is.  Until we can get a ride along to see and hear everything we are doing in plane as we do it, this is the best solution I have come up with.  Once I started training some people with the 109, I found it amazing the amount of throttle work I was doing automatically that I never thought about until I started teaching with them.  Especially the amount of total throttle off and half throttle settings I was using.

 
BigRat

[ink]

Throttle adds more energy (or loses less energy ) for a given maneuver.  I'm not saying you should have it on all the time. I'm just saying what I usually do. 

 

I understand 

[Tank-Ace]

Biggest thing is you're just going to have to learn whats best for you.

Different people have different flying-styles, and that affects when to chop throttle. Some will try and stay engaged in rolling scissors no matter what and are constantly working the throttle, others really don't like to do it for hell, and leave the throttle wide open and break off as soon as possible.


Personally, I cut throttle a bit or entirely whenever I went nose-low unless I was really trying to pack on the speed.




My advice, find someone to teach you the 109 in person, since that will be a lot more effective.

[Ruah]

never cut engine unless you are in a flat spin - and - be gentle with the throttle up and throttle down, especially with wep.  The wep will physically jolt your plane - and the effect is immediate. 

As for ACM - I throttle down initially, then throttle up once the plane is settled, and try to use the full power spectrum too keep my e constant.  I suppose it is always better to have more power available.

[BaldEagl]

It depends on how you fly.  Not that I don't work throttle but for the most part I keep it cranked up and either extend manouvers or pull more G's to compensate.  For me most of my throttle work is to control dive speeds, avoid an overshoot, match speeds/turn rates with a slower plane or get inside someone's turn.

[Tank-Ace]

It depends on how you fly.  Not that I don't work throttle but for the most part I keep it cranked up and either extend manouvers or pull more G's to compensate.  For me most of my throttle work is to control dive speeds, avoid an overshoot, match speeds/turn rates with a slower plane or get inside someone's turn.

Agreed, thats about all I used throttle for. If you get to the point where you're adjusting throttle, thinking it will make you roll significantly better and get the drop on someone in a flat scissors fight, you're doing it wrong. Better move would be to open up the throttle, pour on the WEP, and turn it into a verticle scissors fight. Make use of your strenghts, don't try to fight uphill through your weaknesses.

[ink]

Agreed, thats about all I used throttle for. If you get to the point where you're adjusting throttle, thinking it will make you roll significantly better and get the drop on someone in a flat scissors fight, you're doing it wrong. Better move would be to open up the throttle, pour on the WEP, and turn it into a rolling scissors fight.

 

[JOACH1M]

 

I read that and become alot dumber.

[PFactorDave]

I personally am of the opinion that there are more then one school of thinking concerning throttle use...  One school believes that max throttle most of the time maximizes E and can be exploited...  School two manipulates throttle extensively in order to control turn radius.  Both schools have advantages and disadvantages.

A student of dog fighting needs to realize that there are two trains of thinking and decide which facets of both schools best serve in any given situation.  Key word being situation.  Marriage to either school exclusively is short sighted, in my opinion.

I say this after more then four years in the Aces High community and spending many hours with quite a few different trainers, exposing that not all trainers approach air combat in the same way.  There is no simple solution or answer to the question the OP posed.

[mthrockmor]

I really appreciate the responses. Let me rephrase my question.

In going going verticle, doing loops when would I max throttle, when would I chop throttle to create the smallest circle possible?

Boo