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Offline RedBull1

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Re: 109K-4 Convergence
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2012, 03:22:28 PM »
Quote from: nrshida on April 25, 2012, 02:43:59 PM
I was going to make a contribution to Mk-108 convergence, but why do I get the feeling it's popcorn time again?
Remember to pass me some this time, at least!  :old:
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Re: 109K-4 Convergence
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Re: 109K-4 Convergence
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2012, 03:40:51 PM »
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Re: 109K-4 Convergence
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2012, 04:00:29 PM »
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Re: 109K-4 Convergence
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2012, 04:20:15 PM »
I set mine at 250, just what im comfortable with. drops past that and any closer could cause 3rd degree burn marks with them explosions  :eek:
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Re: 109K-4 Convergence
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2012, 04:54:44 PM »
Are you serious?   :rofl

EDIT: You guys never seem to amaze me with the lame stuff you come up with but its all good try and save face I wont stand in the way.  :aok
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Re: 109K-4 Convergence
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2012, 05:00:55 PM »

  real men fly Emil,k4 is for timid wussies
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Re: 109K-4 Convergence
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2012, 05:01:21 PM »
Quote from: cobia38 on April 25, 2012, 05:00:55 PM
  real men fly Emil,k4 is for timid wussies
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Re: 109K-4 Convergence
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2012, 05:18:57 PM »
Quote from: cobia38 on April 25, 2012, 05:00:55 PM
  real men fly Emil,k4 is for timid wussies
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Re: 109K-4 Convergence
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2012, 05:26:04 PM »
Quote from: DrBone1 on April 25, 2012, 04:54:44 PM
Are you serious?   :rofl

EDIT: You guys never seem to amaze me with the lame stuff you come up with but its all good try and save face I wont stand in the way.  :aok

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Offline Tordon22

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Re: 109K-4 Convergence
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2012, 05:44:00 PM »
Lighten up man.

I think it's pretty well known that Sunbat is a mischievous forum troll with a heart of gold. It wasn't a personal attack on Zoney, it was a pretty common mock of the win t3h w4r/armchair general types who loathe furballers and anyone committed to a fight. Level 1 troll type stuff, I'm not sure it was even intentional bait. But you hammered it like a great white on a fake seal.



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Re: 109K-4 Convergence
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2012, 06:18:01 PM »
 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :x :x :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Offline Ruah

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Re: 109K-4 Convergence
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2012, 06:20:35 PM »
i set mine at 650 for the loft and the bbs at 400.  Works for me.

ultimatly I don't think it matters much - anything outside of 400 is a prayer and low profile dead six shots are a waste of ammo.  Against a K4 I make an effort to keep my profile small. 
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Re: 109K-4 Convergence
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2012, 06:42:00 PM »
Here's some Giant Squid to tangle with.

Question to ponder: Why does the real world MK108 drop from 0 elevation in negative numbers as tested locked into the engine hollow shaft but, our game numbers  from a level engine go from a negative up to a postive then back to a negative? The reason the 50 yard drop numbers are different between the 152 and K4 is the 152 pilot sits higher from the engine line than the K4 pilot. The 152 MK108 is shooting up to 150 from a lower position than the K4's.

You guys are getting shafted by the dispersion while being handed a favor on the drop so the code is kept the same across all fighters for gunnery. Don't fix whats not broken if it works over a cosmetic issue probably.

Your real problem is the crap shoot randomised dispersion pattern past 100 yards in the game. Whatever game world angle(convergence) you tip your MK108 barrel up to, the dispersion stays the same. You just have a kinda sorta level but ever expanding shotgun pattern cone out to 400 yards. Use 200 as your convergence and it just about evens out the cone all the way to 400. It's between you and Hitech if you think his 24 sided randomiser dice is loaded.

Too bad you guys don't have a G10 with the MG151\20 in the nose. Much kinder dispersion out to 400 with the MG131's.

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MK108 30mm Ballistics

Projectil Type - 3 cm Minengeschoss 108 Ausführung A mit Zerleger
Projectile Weight - 330g +-8
Initial Velocity - 500 m\sec (1640 ft\sec)
Barrel firing Angle - 0 degree
Rate of Right Hand Twist - 1:16

Range(M)..m\sec...ToF......Drop......Disp......RH.Spin.Drift
0...............500........0. ........0..........0......... ....0
50.............486....(.10s)...(-2in).....###.......(1.7in)
100...........472....(.21s)...(-8in).....(6.8ft).....(3.7in)
150...........459....(.31s)...(-1.5ft)...###.......(5.9in)
200...........446....(.42s)...(-2.7ft)...(14.0ft)...(8.4in)
250...........434....(.54s)...(-4.4ft)...###.......(11.0in)
300...........422....(.63s)...(-6.5ft)...(21.9ft)...(1.1ft)
350...........411....(.77s)...(-9.0ft)...###.......(1.3ft)
400...........400....(.90s)...(-12.0ft)..(30.2ft)...(1.6ft)
425.......................... ............................. ....(1.7ft)
450...........390....(1.02s)..(-15.5ft)..###.......######
500...........379....(1.15s)..(-19.6ft)..(39.2ft)...######
525.......................... ............................. .....(2.25ft)
550...........370....(1.29s)..(-24.0ft)..###.......######
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Ta152 MK108 tested at 150 convergence.

Range(yd)...Drop(ft)...Dispersion(H x W)
50..........(-16in).....(2.5ft x 2ft)
100.........(-8in)......(4.5ft x 3.5ft)
150..........(0in)......(6.25ft x 6.25ft)
200..........(0in)......(14.5ft x 11.6ft)
300..........(0in)......(29ft x 11ft)
400.........(-4.6ft)....(37ft x 17.5ft)
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Bf109-K4 MK108 tested at 150 convergence.

Range(yd)...Drop(ft)...Dispersion(H x W)
50..........(-8in)......(10in x 5in)
100.........(-7in)......(6ft x 4.5ft)
150..........(0in)......(6.25ft x 6.25ft)
200..........(0in)......(14.5ft x 11.6ft)
300.........(-22in).....(23ft x 13.75ft)
400.........(-5.8ft)....(30ft x 17.5ft)
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Re: 109K-4 Convergence
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2012, 06:55:01 PM »
No need to keep throwing excuses as to why you spend so much time on here.

Carry on.  :aok
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