HO Philosphy

[Raphael]

It's not at all what annoys me the most in a fight as I can avoid most of the head on attacks

the thing that really makes me mad is when people dive in from altitude adv then "extend" towards the ack and you will only see them again when there are 2 more or even when the guy gets his altitude back

When i wasn't dogfighting in this game I didn't think this happened so much but now it simply happens all the time  

and yes sometimes I'm stupid enough to follow people to their ack

[Shuffler]

A couple weeks ago I was in a Mossie VI, turning on the deck with a handful of Navy turny types. Yep, every time one of those idiots would turn into my gunsight I unleashed a stream of lead. I got a nasty little P.M. from one of them crying because I had HO'd him. He recommended that I learn some ACM blah, blah, blah.

I thought to myself, "This dolt is going to insist on going head-on to a Mossie and I'm the one lacking common sense?"


Anyway, had I had any ACM skills at all I wouldn't have found myself turning on the deck with a pack of blue planes. Somehow I managed to make my escape though.

If you are greatly outnumbered I actually don't see an issue with a ho. He should not have been number 5 or 6 in the fight.

[LCADolby]

and yes sometimes I'm stupid enough to follow people to their ack

.SlapSomeSenseIntoRaph You do not follow them  ¬_¬

[Daddkev]

  I love Hos! 

[RedBull1]

[leitwolf]

Aerial Jousting is Knightly Conduct.
I don't see what the fuzz is all about. It opens you up for a lead turn, so anybody with half a clue about ACM knows they have won the instant somebody comes at them triggerhappy like that.
It's fun though

[JOACH1M]

You shot my face too. I wasnt happy. Called you to the DA, you said, aye, sure then stayed in the MA and talked crap behind my back.
Why should i forget or forgive this?

He HO'd 3 of my kills the other day in the same sortie.

[Tank-Ace]

The reason HO's are bad is simple.

1) it demonstrates that 'winning' is more important to you than the actual fight
2) most seem to fly for the fights.


In my view, a HO is a statement that you lack the skills necessary to win a fight without relying on the shell randomization to decide who's 20mm's do more damage. In other words, you really don't care if you're good, you just wanna see your name in lights, or to be able to grab each other's ***es and say 'wtg guys, we took the base! That'll teach them to mess with OUR horde'.

That being said, the THREAT of a HO is a perfectly acceptable tactic, and makes for an effective deterrent.

Basically, you're dumb if you HO:
anything that's packs 30mm's
anything with multiple nose-mounted 20mm's
Il-2's

Unless you are also in a similar ride.


So, a 110 going nose on nose is fine, so long as he intends to merely scare off his opponent, or teach his opponent how bad of a decision going for the HO was if he is fired upon first.

[bustr]

Since we no longer have Titanic Tuesday, Wishlist HTC for it's replacement.

No HOs Allowed Tuesday.

One night a week the ability to HO is turned off and all the hot sticks can sweep the skys of the skilless HO tardlings. This will show those clueless dweebs what real Aces High ACM is all about dleivered by a master. No more cheap succer punches beating my years of polished SA and ACM.
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Add to that Strategic Choke Hold Wednesday.

HTC has a map with multiple strats in each country that take bomber forces to flatten 100%. But, for each one flattened that country looses late war and mid war fighters, then ordenance, then fuel, then no more resupply. It's the Furballers own fault if they loose their country by not paying attention to the bombers. Screw ACM, wars are won by strategy and the press of a button. Take that you Furballing Dorks. Now show me how bad you are chasing my B29's in a Spit1.
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Then DA MA Thursday.

Only 1 vs 1 fights starting Co-Alt to Merg are allowed anywhere in the MA and HTC hires an army of Moderators to watch the whole map to kill the connections to the game of anyone attempting to gang in, vulch a runway or cherry pick. Initiating or responding to a HO kills your aircraft. Now you will see how Aces High was designed to be really played and who rules this game. Now DIE LIKE A MAN you skilless DWEEB! I have personaly paid 5000 hours of my life in the DA to become this AWSUME.
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And Finaly GV Friday.

Bombing, rocketing or straffing a vehical automaticly kills your aircraft. Now everyone will see that GVing is the single most important part of Aces High and how usless aircraft really are. Hmmm, we need to renegotiate with HTC so only spawn campers can be bombed.

[hlbly]

Thats a great point which makes a lot of sense .. cheers

If I am 1 v 1 against a good stick I wont HO but when I am getting ganged by five F4U's like last night and four of them are HO'ing and when I HO back the fifth, he has a cry and squeakes for 20 mins it sorta gets a little ridiculous.
I used to try to avoid HO's but found I get hit all too often so I may as well get in there with half a chance and hope my guns hit him first

The trick to avoiding the ho is to make them go negative G to get a shot .

[SPKmes]

The trick to avoiding the ho is to make them go negative G to get a shot .

Howdy man...Haven't run into you for some time now  <S>


I try to avoid most of the time.. however sometimes it is required..... I also find the definition and/or use of the cry to be hard to decipher ..... firing from 1000 out from first contact HO ... extending and coming back to do the same thing HO ...... Ho from from the start...pull and turn back as hard as you can to get face on HO ..... Now if you get into a tight hard turn fight and you are both looking to turn and get an angle advantage (this is MA engagements and when you know there are hostiles coming) if you turn and I have a shot before you get your nose around to a point where you can shoot me I will fire...many times I will be told I am HOing yet I fired before the con has made a full turn (which is high deflection yes but if the con had not pulled so hard around I was on the six)and stop before their nose gets into a firing position as I now need to ensure I keep my angle and avoid a shot from them and prepare to try and gain more advantage..... just because my rounds hit when they consider they had a shot I had actually finished firing.... this is where I find the line to be blurred...... now if it is a true 1v1 and I know my opponent is not taking shots willy nilly those particular shots I hold off on... I still don't believe it to be a HO cause as I say I am going for the kill before you can get around on me...just because your plane can turn on a dime and face off fast doesn't mean I'm hoin... if anything it is the con I am firing at who is setting up for the HO as if they didn't turn all the way back I would still have their six.....

In addition to this I am not immune I do and have HO'ed but it is not my usual game play .... Silat showed me the error of my ways a long time ago .... Don't HO, it is so common I was told ... Escort ....

[Mar]

Fair warning, I only read this last page here.

Tank-Ace makes a good point, but there's a little more to it.

One on one, HOing is just plain stupid, period. That is, unless you just want to see who will win. There is never any kind of guarantee that you will win, it's always 50/50 that the other guy will get lucky enough to kill you. I'm seeing people rolling dice and then complaining about the outcome. I just don't get it. The object here is to get your guns on him without his guns on you. Why would you want his guns on you? Now if for example you've got 5 guys on you at once then you might as well HO. Odds are you're going to have more than one set of guns pointed at you anyway. Bottom line is, you need to fly in such a way that gets your guns on the enemy without his guns on you. I don't mean that you need to do what Raphael said, remember, you need to get guns on the guy. The only way to do that is get in close, try, die, learn, try, die, learn, repeat a few thousand time, and then they won't be able to touch you.

[Klam]

I think I've been ho'd by most of this forums thousands of posts narcissist tardlings, who preach and spout off various rantings.
Those who still play anyway.
Hopefully though, I have learned by way of research, trial and error and much practice to thwart this mutton-head tactic.
Such a fun game to play, when your heart is banging louder than the buffet n' stall buzzer.  But, if you ride the bird with
your chin on the piper, grinning, full zoom and as hard as an adolescent primate.  You'd be well to look behind you, because after your initial impotent squirt, that's where you'll find me.

This has been a good thread.  Differing opinions, some laughable, others cringeworthy.
I play to fight.  With my limited but slowly developing ACM, I try my best to turn ,twist, evade and wiggle my way on to your ass.

I shouldn't really be doing that in a 109F-4, but what the hell.  It's my game.

 

[Trukk]

...HOing is basically one step above ramming with the same level of disregard for your own life and with explicit goal of 'killing' the other guy no matter the cost...

Only problem is that, that describes 95% of the gameplay in the mains, but back to my first point:
"...unless the other guy somehow knows you won't pull the trigger, why do guys go 'head on'..."

In other words if you don't want to be HO'd, don't HO (even if you aren't going to pull the trigger).

And now that I think of it, bailing-bombers and guys augering (ex when taking down radar) just to respawn quicker are far more of an irritant for me.

Anyway, to each his own, I don't have any problem with it.  I just don't understand why guys do it but then complain about it when the other guy pulls the trigger.

[jd]

I (usually) ahem, dont HO on the Merge on the first pass, after that though its game on. I think HOing is an absolutely legit tactic, especially bombers. Those with pride eventually learn other tactics if they care about getting better IMHO 

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