German Bombers

[tuton25]

The game really needs to add a few axis bombers (i.e. the HE-111, DO-17, and the JU-52)

[Rino]

     We have too much hangar space? 

[Bruv119]

dornier-217 for late war and Heinkel -111 for BofB.   

the Ju 52 aswell at some point but hardly a priority.

[Karnak]

Ju188A-1 for late war and Heinkel -111 for BofB.   

the Ju 52 aswell at some point but hardly a priority.

Fixed.

[R 105]

 I was always amazes the HE-111 was not the very first German Bomber in the game. It was produced from 1935 to 1945 in many versions. Not having it in the game is a lot like not having a Spitfire add yet. While I know it was some what inferior to the JU-88 and other later bombers, it still may be the most historically important German bomber of WWII.

[tunnelrat]

The HE-177 certainly would NOT be a hangar queen...

Everyone fears its introduction so much (it'd basically be the poor mans B-29) that every time it's even mentioned a flame war erupts.

I'd go in $100 on having it added to the game... who's with me?!  

[tunnelrat]

Fixed.

Agreed, Ju-188 before Do-217, but that's not to say NEVER a Do-217 hahah

[Klam]

Would love to see more German bombers

Don't really mind which, but the He-111 would be nice.

[bc21]

The HE-177 certainly would NOT be a hangar queen...

Everyone fears its introduction so much (it'd basically be the poor mans B-29) that every time it's even mentioned a flame war erupts.

I'd go in $100 on having it added to the game... who's with me?!  

Me!!!

[Babalonian]

     We have too much hangar space? 

Perspectively, from the square footage of fighters stuffed into the AH fighter hangars...  yes.

[mthrockmor]

Yes...Wikipedia is always 100% right on the money but...this is what it says anyway.

I emboldened the big point: 351 mph at 19,000 feet. It also has a 20mm in the nose and tail. This bird needs a perk and put into the air soon. Was not aware it was around, and with roughly 1,000 copies built and combat under its belt it meets the criteria. I would even put this ahead of the He-111 for the simple reason the 111 is cannon fodder though it will be great for early and mid war scenarios. The 177 is up to snuff right away.

+1 on this one.

Boo

Performance

Maximum speed: 565 km/h (351 mph) at 6,000 (19,685 ft)
Stall speed: 135 km/h (84 mph)
Combat radius: 1,540 km (957 mi)
Ferry range: 5,600 km (3,480 mi)
Service ceiling: 8,000 m (26,246 ft)
Rate of climb: 190 m/min (623 ft/min)
Wing loading: 303.9 kg/m² (62.247 lb/ft²)
Armament


Guns: **1 × 7.92 mm MG 81 machine gun in "fishbowl" nose glazing
1 × 20 mm MG 151 cannon in forward ventral Bola gondola position
1 × 13 mm MG 131 machine gun in rear ventral Bola gondola position
2 × 13 mm MG 131 machine guns in FDL 131Z remotely operated forward dorsal turret, full 360° traverse
1 × 13 mm MG 131 machine gun in manned Hydraulische Drehlafette DL 131I aft dorsal turret
1 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon in tail position
Bombs: Up to 6,000 kg (13,227 lb) of ordnance internally/7,200 kg (15,873 lb) externally or up to 3 Fritz X or Henschel Hs 293 PGMs (w/FuG 203 Kehl MCLOS transmitter installed)
48 × 50 kg (110 lb) bombs (2,400 kg/5,291 lb total)
1 × 2,500 kg (5,511 lb) bomb (2,500 kg/5,511 lb total)
12 × 250 kg (551 lb) bombs (3,000 kg/6,613 lb total)
6 × 500 kg (1,102 lb) bombs (3,000 kg/6,613 lb total)
2 × 1,800 kg (3,968 lb) bombs (3,600 kg/7,936 lb total)
2 × 1,800 kg (3,968 lb) bombs + 2 × LMA III mines (4,600 kg/10,141 lb total)
10 × 500 kg (1,102 lb) bombs (5,000 kg/11,023 lb total)
2 × 1,000 kg (2,204 lb) bombs + 2 × 1,800 kg (3,968 lb) bombs (5,600 kg/12,345 lb total)
6 × 1,000 kg (2,204 lb) bombs (6,000 kg/13,227 lb total)
2 × FX 1400 Fritz X + 1 × FX 1400 Fritz X under the wings and fuselage (w/FuG 203 Kehl MCLOS transmitter installed)
2 × Hs 293 or 294 + 1 × Hs 293 or 294 under the wings and fuselage (w/FuG 203 Kehl MCLOS transmitter installed)
2 × 500 kg (1,102 lb) bombs internally + 2 × Hs 293 under the wings (w/FuG 203 Kehl MCLOS transmitter installed)
2 × LT 50 torpedoes under the wing

[Krusty]

He-177 is old news. Mostly seen carrying guided missiles (which are heavy and draggy) on the outer wings. When it was bombing it wan't as effective as folks on this forum like to pretend.

Let me put it this way.... The B-17 was designed to carry loads up to and exceeding 18,000lbs.


Doesn't mean it did it. 5,000lbs was the standard bomb load.


Might try checking into the actual history of this plane's use. I don't know all of it but I've read some of the Eastern Front use.


It would be a serious abuse of history to include it in the game ahead of ... well.. ANY other plane IMO. Unlike the Me210's undeserved reputation, the He-177 definitely deserved its bad rap.

[Tracerfi]

Ju-290A-5
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Axis/1-Germany/04-Bombers/Ju-290/Ju-290A-5.htm

[Klam]

The sky over London was black with He-111's

This bird crapped all over my home town.......I want to shoot it down!

Crazy birds like the 177 can wait, this ones important.

[mthrockmor]

I frequently defer to the officianados on these points. One note with the 177 having engine problems that restricted aspects of its mission. Is this also not true of the P-47M or N?

As for "the Few" wanting to shoot down some Heinkels of ill repute...gotta respect that.

Boo