P-51 options

[SmokinLoon]

+1 for more DT's although not sure if they are really needed?

There is only ONE plane in AH that has a longer range than the P51D.  In other words, the P51x needs no more attention.  Period.  Save maybe a reduction down to 3 ENY, just like the Spit16.   

[Ack-Ack]

No Karnak... it means I am wishing for more options as I requested.

This is a P-51A with bazooka type rockets and 1000 lb bombs. As someone noted previously (years ago) that the photographic units didnt fight. Well this is the 10th Combat Camera Unit (8th Recon Group) in India. They also used P-51s (you know the ones with cannons everyone is afraid of) in combat roles.

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It was common for other armed recce planes to escort other recce planes.  For example, the 7th Photo Recce group would use its own Mustangs to escort other 7th recce planes and also for ground fire suppression.  I wouldn't be surprised if other photo recce units did the same and could explain why you see them with bombs and rocket launchers.

Also, the 10th Combat Camera Unit of the 8th Reconnaissance Group was a non-flying support squadron so that Mustang in the picture must have been from one of the photo recce or tactical recce squadrons of the 8th Reconnaissance Group.

ack-ack

[Guppy35]

Just to get chalenge to collapse over his keyboard.  CBI 51D with rocket tubes and 110 gallon tanks




The 110 gallon tanks would be nice for Scenarios.   

[Guppy35]

As pointed out the 1000 lb bombs and rockets were used. I know you want them gone FSL but they were used obviously and your desire to have them removed on the basis of none use is ridiculous.

Karnak read the last two pages posted. As noted in there this was a common load on RAF Mustang IIIs. Both the Bazooka types and 65lb rockets (8 per plane) were used also as noted. So the P-51s could also have 8 rockets added.

Butcher the larger tanks come in handy on the larger maps when escorting bombers. There have been many sorties where I have landed on fumes at minimum power settings even when flying up high where less fuel is burned.

Just clarifying.  Are you suggesting that 1000 pounders and rockets combined were commonly used?   The RAF MTO birds didn't carry both.  They did carry 1000 pounders.  Korea it was 6 rockets and 2 500 pounders or 6 rockets and napalm in 110 gallon tanks.  No 1000 pounders and rockets together.

I'd like to see more evidence beyond that one photo of the P51A in India.  I've seen that same image in a number of books, with different unit IDs too including 311th FBG and 1st ACG.  but I sure can't find others. The bombs are also ID'd as 500 pounders in the photo captions which makes more sense.    

[Chalenge]

All you have to do is take the bazooka tube size into account. The difference between a 500lb bomb and a 1000lb bomb is a mere 2.9 inches. Those rocket tubes are 4.5 I.D. with a wall size of between 1/4" and 3/8" (even your picture indicates this). Given the length of the tube is forward of those bombs it is obvious some degree of adjustment would have to be taken into consideration but one thing is evident right off: the bomb is bigger than 13".

[hotcoffe]

I would like to see bazooka rockets on me p51d , since the hvars are useless against the gvs.

[lyric1]

I'd like to see more evidence beyond that one photo of the P51A in India.  I've seen that same image in a number of books, with different unit IDs too including 311th FBG and 1st ACG.  but I sure can't find others. The bombs are also ID'd as 500 pounders in the photo captions which makes more sense.    

Info from the archives on that photo.


http://www.fold3.com/image/#47649415

http://www.fold3.com/image/#47649445

[Guppy35]

And the 10th combat camera unit would have been the unit that handled the photography developmment, not the unit that did the combat flying, which supports the 311th FBG ID or 1st ACG being the Mustang unit.

[FLS]

As pointed out the 1000 lb bombs and rockets were used. I know you want them gone FSL but they were used obviously and your desire to have them removed on the basis of none use is ridiculous.

I never said that option should be removed. Ridiculous would be better used to describe your reading comprehension
and your emotional response to polite disagreement.  

[lyric1]

And the 10th combat camera unit would have been the unit that handled the photography developmment, not the unit that did the combat flying, which supports the 311th FBG ID or 1st ACG being the Mustang unit.

1000 lb's correct?

[Guppy35]

1000 lb's correct?

According to the caption.   Again I'd like to see more then the one image and something to document it's common use in combat.  I can't find anything to suggest common use and that's the only photo I've come cross.  The more common photos of CBI Mustangs show 500 pounders being carried without rocket tubes.

As an example.  I can post photos of Spitfire XII with bombs loaded.  I could use those to suggest they carried them in combat.  I can tell you the dates the two squadrons flew practice runs with bombs.  Despite this evidence, I also know they never carried the load operationally.

Personally I'd just like to see more proof that the 1000 lb, rocket tube set up was more then just a single photo op of what could have been a test run.

[R 105]

 Well the bazooka may be a cool addition to the P51-D but I think the tube stays on the plane after they are fired kind of like the tubes on the B-pony. That is a lot of drag so I for one mostly would never use the Bazookas because of that just like I don't use the B-Pony's rockets. But I did not look this up because I am lazy and maybe the tubes can be jettisoned?

[Megalodon]

Also, the 10th Combat Camera Unit of the 8th Reconnaissance Group was a non-flying support squadron so that Mustang in the picture must have been from one of the photo recce or tactical recce squadrons of the 8th Reconnaissance Group.

ack-ack

That Bird belongs to the 1st Air Commandos. I just posted it recently.... twice as a matter of fact.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,328441.50.html

[Ack-Ack]

I would like to see bazooka rockets on me p51d , since the hvars are useless against the gvs.

The HVARs are much more effective than the bazooka rockets at killing ground vehicles.  The bazooka rockets had a lower velocity, range and punch than the HVARs.

ack-ack

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I have to say...that last image..........is the baddest looking WW2 bird I have ever seen.........

my favorites have always been the flying tigers from when I was a kid......but damn that 51 is awesome looking.....

I am not sure but it reminds me of one I am skinning....same squad?  an info on it.....




never mind I found it....