410 vs Buffs tweek the balance?

[Ack-Ack]

From historical references, the BK 5 autocannon we have in Aces High is acurate. It is essentially a Panzer III cannon that was redesigned to fire a high velocity 50mm fragmentation shell. 

It might have been accurate but in real life the 50mm wasn't as effective as it is in game.  Pilots had to get in very close to the bombers to aim and fire the 50mm cannon and it had a tendency to jam after a round or two, unlike in here where you can snipe from over a thousand yards away and the gun never jams.

ack-ack

[tunnelrat]

I will fly as fighter escort at a small charge of $1.50 a hour

Do you offer any kind of satisfaction guarantee?

Because if you're all "Payment up front" i'ma be all 

[zack1234]

None at all.

I tend to fall asleep while playing game due to lack of intellenece and a inability to focus upon any topic for more than 2 minutes.

[bangsbox]

+1 for armored glass (if it had it) you very easily get pilot wounded or just die in the 1.5-1k range. And your not getting closer then that lol and of you do the buff should be dead because if not you are

[bangsbox]

Ok did some research standard 410 did not have bullet proof glass and models designed for buff hunting did have a plate of bullet proof glass. So dammit. Also all versions did have bullet proof glass for radio operator/rear gunner

[save]

real life .50s from gunners where far from as effective they are in here. I mean how many times did german planes get hit by all 8 guns from a set of 3 planes at distances up to 1.5k ?

It might have been accurate but in real life the 50mm wasn't as effective as it is in game.  Pilots had to get in very close to the bombers to aim and fire the 50mm cannon and it had a tendency to jam after a round or two, unlike in here where you can snipe from over a thousand yards away and the gun never jams.

ack-ack

[Lusche]

I mean how many times did german planes get hit by all 8 guns from a set of 3 planes at distances up to 1.5k ?

In here: None.

At least not at 1.5K

[bozon]

it is balanced by the "rock paper scissors" principle:
Me410 kills bombers, Fighter kills Me410, Bombers kill fighters... hmm wait. OK, bombers kill fighter hangars. There, rock paper scissors.

[ALFAMEGA51]

it is balanced by the "rock paper scissors" principle:
Me410 kills bombers, Fighter kills Me410, Bombers kill fighters... hmm wait. OK, bombers kill fighter hangars. There, rock paper scissors.

 

[R 105]

 It seems to me that it is just not the 410 that gets waxed with 50cal from bombers with ease. I can pour 500 rounds of 50cal into a buff with little effect . However if I am hit by a few 50cal from the bomber my wing fly's off or the oil goes or you just blow up. If the 50cal from bombers were that effective in  WWII there would have been no need to have escort fighters at all and Germany would have been bombed to here knees years sooner.

 I think it has more to do with all guns shooting at one target in synchronization here in AH while in a real WWII formation each gunner from each bomber would have to locate an enemy fighter and fire on it. In fairness to the game I have shot don't a full set of bombers in a P-51D without damage and then been accused of being a cheater so it goes both ways sometimes. As for ground attack with the 410, Well that may be another tread.

[N8Fire]

Compare the technical data.

50mm
•   Hersteller: Mauser
•   Kaliber: 50 mm × 420 mm
•   Masse: 490 kg
•   Gesamtlänge: 4,16 m
•   Kadenz: 150 Schuss/min
•   V° des Geschosses: 920 m/s[/font][/color]
•   Geschossgewicht: 1,54 kg


to the 30mm

•   Typ: einläufige Maschinenkanone
•   Funktion: Rückstoßlader
•   Kaliber: 30 × 90RB
•   Hersteller: Rheinmetall-Borsig
•   Länge: 1057 mm
•   Rohrlänge 545 mm
•   Gewicht: 58 kg
•   Schussfolge (pro min): 650
•   Mündungsgeschwindigkeit: 505–540 m/s
•   Projektilgewicht: 330 g
•   Patronengewicht: 480 g
•   Mündungsenergie: 42.079–48.114 Joule


The 50mm bullet has 3 times the weight of the 30mm but 2 times the velocity.

Faster, bigger and much more explosive power.

Yes, the 50mm is a real deadly weapon. It was design of the germans 50mm anti Tank canon.
If the 50mm PAK is a Tank buster, it is logical the the 50mm canon in the 410 is a Bomber buster.

Buffs need now better aircover, that's for real.

[VonMessa]

I will fly as fighter escort at a small charge of $1.50 a hour

I will do it for $14.95 / month

[Wmaker]

to the 30mm

•   Typ: einläufige Maschinenkanone
•   Funktion: Rückstoßlader
•   Kaliber: 30 × 90RB
•   Hersteller: Rheinmetall-Borsig
•   Länge: 1057 mm
•   Rohrlänge 545 mm
•   Gewicht: 58 kg
•   Schussfolge (pro min): 650
•   Mündungsgeschwindigkeit: 505–540 m/s
•   Projektilgewicht: 330 g
•   Patronengewicht: 480 g
•   Mündungsenergie: 42.079–48.114 Joule

That data is not for the MK103 but for the MK108.

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Here are some scematics of the Me410's armouring:

[Lusche]

it is balanced by the "rock paper scissors" principle:
Me410 kills bombers, Fighter kills Me410, Bombers kill fighters... hmm wait. OK, bombers kill fighter hangars. There, rock paper scissors.

  

[Karnak]

That data is not for the MK103 but for the MK108.

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Here are some scematics of the Me410's armouring:
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Do you have the image of the armor glass that the caption says is "above"?