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Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« on: July 24, 2012, 12:43:24 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/24/background-checks-for-guns-in-colorado-reportedly-jump-41-percent-since-movie/

Yes, I know it's Fox News, but the statistics are fairly neutral. Seems that the natural, and popular human reaction to this sort of thing is to fortify, not to disarm.

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2012, 01:01:59 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/24/background-checks-for-guns-in-colorado-reportedly-jump-41-percent-since-movie/

Yes, I know it's Fox News, but the statistics are fairly neutral. Seems that the natural, and popular human reaction to this sort of thing is to fortify, not to disarm.

What do you have against Fox News??? LOL - kidding  :noid

That is the more natural reaction I agree.  People are starting to open carry more often too as I see it.
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2012, 01:08:43 PM »
A friend posted this quote on his facebook, I thought it was appropriate.

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2012, 01:54:56 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/24/background-checks-for-guns-in-colorado-reportedly-jump-41-percent-since-movie/

Yes, I know it's Fox News, but the statistics are fairly neutral. Seems that the natural, and popular human reaction to this sort of thing is to fortify, not to disarm.
Probably a lot more likely that people are getting their guns while they still can because they think a gun ban/heavier restrictions are on the way. Same thing happened just under 4 years ago.

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2012, 02:06:41 PM »
Yep, anytime anything remotely looks like it's anti-gun, the prices go through the roof as folks panic buy thinking they'll never get another chance.  Ahh don't you love the free market.  The joy of suckers born every minute :)
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2012, 02:10:41 PM »
I always have a gun next to me since i play with a headset on while my gf sleeps in the next room.  however just food for thought, if there had been several people in that theater with guns, there's always a possibility that many more would have gotten killed or hurt as no one would really be sure who the shooter was, or perhaps the shooter would have gotten stopped within the first couple of shots.  but with all that smoke and chaos most people only saw shadows in a dark theater.


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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2012, 02:26:03 PM »
however just food for thought, if there had been several people in that theater with guns, there's always a possibility that many more would have gotten killed or hurt as no one would really be sure who the shooter was, or perhaps the shooter would have gotten stopped within the first couple of shots.  but with all that smoke and chaos most people only saw shadows in a dark theater.


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That's something I've often thought about, but it never seems to come up when stuff like this happens.  I wouldn't trust the average dweeb on the street to make the right choice between Coke and Pepsi, never mind staying clear headed and reacting properly under stress in a situation like that.  "If only there'd been an armed citizen there to smite the evildoer." is a really nice thought, but what if there were a dozen of them?  Identifying Friend/Foe in a situation like that would be problematic.

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2012, 02:27:28 PM »
Yep, anytime anything remotely looks like it's anti-gun, the prices go through the roof as folks panic buy thinking they'll never get another chance.  Ahh don't you love the free market.  The joy of suckers born every minute :)

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However, I prefer a system where citizens are allowed to make decisions - however irrational those decisions may sometimes seem - verses the alternative, where those decisions are made for them by governing bodies which, throughout history, have seldom proven to be wiser or more enlightened than the individuals.


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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2012, 03:07:06 PM »
That's something I've often thought about, but it never seems to come up when stuff like this happens.  I wouldn't trust the average dweeb on the street to make the right choice between Coke and Pepsi, never mind staying clear headed and reacting properly under stress in a situation like that.  "If only there'd been an armed citizen there to smite the evildoer." is a really nice thought, but what if there were a dozen of them?  Identifying Friend/Foe in a situation like that would be problematic.

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When I'm staring at a madman with a gun, I'll take the chance that I and anyone else who is armed can shoot him over standing there and getting killed like a sheep any day of the week.

I may get shot by someone thinking I'm the madman with the gun, or I may get shot by someone who did a 1 week CCW course and doesn't know how to use their gun in a stressful situation.  But that, to me, is better than standing there powerless to stop a lunatic.

Now if only Texas would hurry up and pass that open carry law.

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2012, 03:07:49 PM »
I'm sorry but the argument that guns =  freedom doesn't hold water. That is just the simplistic argument put forward by people with a vested interest. It's simplistic because it doesn't take a lot of thought or examination to digest.

Most of Europe is by any definition, free. They have been free for at least the last 150 years. Their freedom didn't come from making high powered, rapid rate of fire, firearms available for every nut job in the area.

This is confusion that plagues the US in comparison to other free countries. The rate of incidences like this is EXTREMELY rare compared to the US.

There is also a huge distance between reasonable and effective gun laws and no guns at all. Instead of seeing things as all on or all off, it would be incredibly more useful to talk about what kinds of laws would reasonably protect the vast majority of people. What we have in this country is insane. Ask the rest of the world, they'll tell you. The right place does not look like Dodge City in 1875 :). It looks like a place where people can go through their lives without the concern of being shot to death by some imbalanced nut job, or because they are in the wrong neighborhood.
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2012, 03:32:59 PM »
I don't think that guns = freedom is a good articulation of the thought. Prohibition, however, be it prohibition of booze, marijuana, high-powered weapons or high-powered cars, is the erosion of freedom.

Responsible adults should be able to enjoy potentially hazardous things and activities, plain and simple. The reason is, life isn't about existing in totally neutral, danger-free environment. Life is about fun, excitement and the stimulation of nerve-endings. Yes, that must be balanced with the realities of living in a complex society, but a huge, almost perfect majority of gun owners seem to be able to do that just fine.

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2012, 03:34:19 PM »
Most of Europe is by any definition, free. They have been free for at least the last 150 years. Their freedom didn't come from making high powered, rapid rate of fire, firearms available for every nut job in the area.

This is confusion that plagues the US in comparison to other free countries. The rate of incidences like this is EXTREMELY rare compared to the US.

Europe is not free.  Countries like England and Germany will jail you for using defamitory speech.  This is not freedom.
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2012, 03:38:14 PM »
I'm sorry but the argument that guns =  freedom doesn't hold water. That is just the simplistic argument put forward by people with a vested interest. It's simplistic because it doesn't take a lot of thought or examination to digest.

Most of Europe is by any definition, free. They have been free for at least the last 150 years. Their freedom didn't come from making high powered, rapid rate of fire, firearms available for every nut job in the area.

This is confusion that plagues the US in comparison to other free countries. The rate of incidences like this is EXTREMELY rare compared to the US.

There is also a huge distance between reasonable and effective gun laws and no guns at all. Instead of seeing things as all on or all off, it would be incredibly more useful to talk about what kinds of laws would reasonably protect the vast majority of people. What we have in this country is insane. Ask the rest of the world, they'll tell you. The right place does not look like Dodge City in 1875 :). It looks like a place where people can go through their lives without the concern of being shot to death by some imbalanced nut job, or because they are in the wrong neighborhood.

And what's the violent crime rate in England nowadays?  How about Australia?  Or Chicago?  How does that gun control work out for them?


Guns don't equal freedom.  Well what, exactly is freedom?  Is it the right to run arond the streets naked with green jello all over your body?  Is that freedom?  Or is freedom the right to live your life how you see fit, how you deem.  The right to choose where you work, where you live, how you live, if you want to raise a family, how you raise your family.  Life, liberty, and the pursuit of hapiness.  That is freedom.

And what is a gun? A gun is a tool.  It is a violent, highly capable and extremely effective tool.  But more to the point, guns are power.  Raw, unfiltered, no nonsense power.
A man with a gun has a power that a man without a gun will never achieve.  The power to choose.  And choosing is what freedom is all about.
  
If guns never existed, then strength of arm and skill with a bow would be the equals of that power.  Physical size, sharpness of sword and innate hand-eye coordination would be the powers that let you choose your life.  A 6 ft 230 lbs. man could choose any life he wanted in such a world, he could very easily choose to dominate or take what he wanted because very very few people could stand up to him. He could become a champion of righteousness, he could become a king, a conqueror, or he could become a murderer, a rapist, a being most vile and foul and very few people could hope to stop him.  
A 14 year old girl with a gun has more power than he.

The men who created this nation understood this.  They understood that for freedom to exist, for people to be able to choose their lives they must have the power to do so.  And power stems not from an idea, not from a belief, not from the vote, or from a government, or divine mandate.  The root of all power throughout all of history, is by what one man or woman can physically do.  The ultimate form of power on this Earth, is the ability to end life.  It has been so for thousands of years.  The threat of it has seen nations rise and fall.  Has seen people act with extraordinary valor and others with utter deprivation.

How then do you make certain that the people you wish to protect have the power to protect themselves?
You arm them.  You let them, as a right of citizenship carry whatever arms they deem necessary to protect themselves.  The ultimate power of the Earth then rests, not with a king, not with a priest, or a book of law interpreted by a council, but divided, split 300 million times amongst the people who have no desire to abuse it.
Some will die, there will be accidents, some will abuse this power but others will be there to stop them. In a far more effective manner than any watch, police force, or army.



The tragedy that has taken place is not that guns were used to kill people.  If a man is crazy, if a man desires it, he can kill just as effectively, just as many people, if not more, with weapons that aren't guns, and that are far easier to obtain.
The tragedy is that people died, and a man killed them.  The tools are irrelevant.

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2012, 03:44:59 PM »
Guns don't equal freedom.  Well what, exactly is freedom?  

Very nice post.  My only comment or twist to what you said is that guns don't equal freedom, but a deterent to tyranical forms of government.  Any government including the US could turn into a tyranical regime and arms are the tools to deter that to some extent.
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