Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%

[4Prop]

Okay, I'll bend even further to the right, but some of you guys have got to be willing to compromise a bit as well. How about simply an extended-magazine ban. Whatever magazine size comes standard with the weapon would be legal i.e. a glock 17 could have 17 rounds, an M-16/AR-15 could have 30 round magazines. Self defense would be entirely up to the homeowner. If he didn't feel safe with revolver, he could buy an M1911 with a 7-round magazine, an M9 with 15 rounds, or even a Glock with 17. Maybe he wanted an assault rifle for home defense; he could do that and have 30 rounds at his disposal. Whatever he felt the safest with, with he could purchase. On the other hand, mass murderers wouldn't have 33 round mags for their Glocks or 100 round mags for their M-16s. I think such a law would balance the interests of gun owners and public safety very well. That rectifies the collecting and self-defense issues Widewing brought up while limiting the output of a mass murderer on a rampage.

what about the doomsday crowd? they want as many mags and ammo as they can buy. I've got a friend who is a prepper. hes got over 5000 acres of land in 6 different states,50+ guns, and probably 50k rounds of ammunition. a few REAL assault rifles (semi-full auto) M-16s.

should they be deprived of their beleifs of what they will need?

[Melvin]

I know, I think Melvin is a fantastic bloke too 

Aww nrshida, you're going to make me blush.


P.S. I think you're pretty super too.

[Rich46yo]

For those of you to young to remember, or even on earth at the time, we had a draconian magazine limit ban from 1994 to 2004. It included bans on assault weapon attachements and magazine of more then 5 rounds in them. Handguns were limited to 10 rounds. Assault weapons, so called, couldnt have bayonets on them, folding stocks, flash suppresors, pistol grips. Shotguns couldnt have more then 5 round magazines or attachments.

The effect on crime was zero. ZERO! I was there. I saw it. All it did was jam up otherwise honest working people cause the truth is crimes with assault rifles are so rare as to be almost nonexistant. Besides the gangsters had no problem getting high cap mags for their pistols anyways. Rifles, any and all rifles, make up for less % of gun murders then shotguns do. I work in the Murder capitol and we often go an entire year without ANY murder by assault rifle. And this is between 500 to 700 murders a year. And many thousands of shootings.

I never even owned a duty gun that holds more then 9 rounds of ammo.

[4Prop]

I work in the Murder capitol and we often go an entire year without ANY murder by assault rifle.

ever think it might be they are to complex for them to operate?

[Widewing]

ever think it might be they are to complex for them to operate?

If a goat herder in Pakistan can figure out how to operate an AK-47, the typical criminal will figure it out. Load a magazine, cycle the bolt and shoot....

[TonyJoey]

For those of you to young to remember, or even on earth at the time, we had a draconian magazine limit ban from 1994 to 2004. It included bans on assault weapon attachements and magazine of more then 5 rounds in them. Handguns were limited to 10 rounds. Assault weapons, so called, couldnt have bayonets on them, folding stocks, flash suppresors, pistol grips. Shotguns couldnt have more then 5 round magazines or attachments.
The effect on crime was zero. ZERO! I was there. I saw it. All it did was jam up otherwise honest working people cause the truth is crimes with assault rifles are so rare as to be almost nonexistant. Besides, the gangsters had no problem getting high cap mags for their pistols anyways.

I've addressed this almost five times in previous posts.

Jay, he could practice all he wanted but that would only serve to limit the time that otherwise wouldn't have been lost if he could of just kept shooting. And then he has to deal with many of the factors Widewing outlined such as fumbling with another magazine in the dark. If he changes strategy, then he changes strategy. The goal of such a ban is to limit the currently most used avenue of attack for mass murderers.  

4prop, There is no limit to the amount of ammo one could own, just a limit on the amount of bullets in each magazine. They could still have 5000 rounds in standard 30 round magazines if they wanted.

[MarineUS]

ever think it might be they are to complex for them to operate?

Please tell me you're joking. Please?

[Jayhawk]

I've addressed this almost five times in previous posts.

Jay, he could practice all he wanted but that would only serve to limit the time that otherwise wouldn't have been lost if he could of just kept shooting. And then he has to deal with many of the factors Widewing outlined such as fumbling with another magazine in the dark. If he changes strategy, then he changes strategy. The goal of such a ban is to limit the currently most used avenue of attack for mass murderers.  

4prop, There is no limit to the amount of ammo one could own, just a limit on the amount of bullets in each magazine. They could still have 5000 rounds in standard 30 round magazines if they wanted.

We're about to go in circles here, but I'll make this last point.  In the Aurora shooting, had he chosen 30 round magazines, it's quite possibly he would have killed even more people.

[TonyJoey]

We're about to go in circles here, but I'll make this last point. 

I was about to say the exact same thing whenever you responded. 

In the Aurora shooting, had he chosen 30 round magazines, it's quite possibly he would have killed even more people.

Although I disagree, assuming that's true, that would be the exception, not the rule.

[Jayhawk]

Well someone mentioned it earlier, but props to you for keeping your cool in an often heated debate.   

[TonyJoey]

Well someone mentioned it earlier, but props to you for keeping your cool in an often heated debate.   

 , I appreciate you reciprocating as well.

[Mickthestick]

Although I disagree, assuming that's true, that would be the exception, not the rule.

I don't know about that. Super high capacity beta magazines are notoriously prone to jamming, are super heavy (throwing off the balance of the rifle) and very cumbersome.

3 or 4 30-round clips are far more reliable, far more portable, are easy to swap, allow for the same amount of firepower to be delivered, and if one malfunctions, you're only losing access to part of your ammo supply, not the vast majority or all of it.

There's a reason those drum magazines aren't popular with the military, and are popular with pretenders and weekend warriors. They're just not that practical or effective.

[TonyJoey]

Well, I'd rather just ban extended-capacity magazines than hope they jam. I've named plenty of example where they didn't and a ban of extended mags would have made a difference. If you're unwilling to concede anything at this point, then repeating points I've already made does little good.

[Mickthestick]

Well, I'd rather just ban extended-capacity magazine than hope they jam.

Be my guest. I was always a fan of this alternative.

[TonyJoey]

Be my guest. I was always a fan of this alternative.

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Assault rifles aren't the only thing affected. Glocks with 33-round extended mags are a common choice.