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Offline dunnrite

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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #105 on: August 24, 2012, 12:31:32 PM »
Take it however you want.  It's an interesting read (if you read all of it)

http://dailyanarchist.com/2012/07/31/auditing-shooting-rampage-statistics/

9/6/1949 - Howard Barton Unruh went on a shooting rampage in Camden, New Jersey with a German Luger. He shot up a barber shop, a pharmacy and a tailor’s shop killing 13 people. He finally surrendered after a shoot-out with police.
8/1/1966 - Charles Joseph Whitman climbed a tower at the University of Texas in Austin, Texas and began shooting at other students and faculty with a sniper rifle. He killed 16 people before being shot and killed by police.
7/18/1984 – James Oliver Huberty shot up a McDonalds in San Ysidro, California killing 21 people before police shoot and killed him.
10/16/1991 - George Hennard entered Luby’s Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas and began indiscriminately shooting the patrons. He killed 23 people in all. He commit suicide after being cornered and wounded in a shootout with police.
11/15/1995 – Jamie Rouse used a .22-caliber semi-automatic rifle to fire indiscriminately inside Richland High School in Lynnville, Tennessee. He killed 2 people before being tackled by a football player and a coach.
2/2/1996 - Barry Loukaitis entered Frontier Middle School in Moses Lake, Washington with a rifle and two handguns. He killed 3 people before the Gym teacher, Jon Lane grabbed the rifle and wrestled the gunman to the ground.
10/1/1997 - Luke Woodham put on a trench coat to conceal a hunting rifle and entered Pearl High School in Pearl, Mississippi. He killed 3 students before vice principal Joel Myrick apprehended him with a Colt .45 without firing.
12/1/1997 - Michael Carneal brought a pistol, two rifles and two shotguns to his high school in Paducah, Kentucky and opened fire on a small prayer group killing 3 girls. His rampage was halted when he was tackled by another student.
4/24/1998 - Andrew Wurst attended a middle school dance in Edinboro, Pennsylvania intent on killing a bully but shot wildly into the crowd. He killed 1 student. James Strand lived next door. When he heard the shots he ran over with his 12 gauge shotgun and apprehended the gunman without firing.
5/21/1998 - Kipland Kinkel entered Thurston High School in Springfield, Oregon with two pistols and a semi-automatic rifle hidden under a trench coat. He opened fire killing 2 students, but while reloading a wounded student named Jacob Ryker tackled him.
4/20/1999 - Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris were the killers behind the Columbine shooting in Littleton, Colorado. The two both commit suicide after police arrived, but what many people do not know is that the school’s armed security guard and the police all stood and waited outside the library while executions happed right inside. 15 people died, not including the shooters.
7/31/1999 - Mark Barton was a daytrader who went on a shooting rampage through two day trading firms in Atlanta, Georgia. He killed 12 people in all and after a police chase he was surrounded by police at a gas station where he commit suicide.
1/16/2002 – Peter Odighizuwa opened fire with a handgun at The Appalachian School in Grundy, Virginia. 3 people were killed before the shooter was apprehended by 3 students, Mikael Gross, Ted Besen, and Tracy Bridges with handguns without firing.
8/27/2003 – Salvador Tapia entered an auto parts store in Chicago, Illinois and shot and killed 6 people with a handgun. He then waged a gunbattle with police before a SWAT team fatally wounded him.
9/24/2003 – John Jason McLaughlin brought a .22-caliber pistol to Rocori High School in Cold Spring, Minnesota. He killed 2 people before PE teacher, Mark Johnson confronted him, disarmed him, and held him in the school office for police to arrive.
2/25/2005 – David Hernandez Arroyo Sr. opened fire on a public square from the steps of a courthouse in Tyler, Texas. The shooter was armed with an assault rifle and wearing body armor. Mark Wilson fired back with a handgun, hitting the shooter but not penetrating the armor. Mark drew the shooter’s fire, and ultimately drove him off, but was fatally wounded. Mark was the only death in this incident.
3/21/2005 – Jeff Weise was a student at Red Lake High School in Red Lake, Minnesota. He killed 7 people including a teacher and a security guard. When police cornered him inside the school, he shot and killed himself.
11/8/2005 – Kenneth Bartley, Jr. brought a .22 caliber pistol to Campbell County Comprehensive High School in Jacksboro, Tennessee and killed 1 person before being disarmed by a teacher.
9/29/2006 – Eric Hainstock brought a .22 caliber revolver and a 20-gauge shotgun into Weston High School in Cazenovia, Wisconson. He killed 1 person before staff and students apprehended him and held him until the police arrived.
4/16/2007 – Seung-Hui Cho was the shooter behind the Virgina Tech shooting in Blacksburg, Virginia. Police apprehend the wrong suspect allowing the shooter to walk across campus and open fire again in a second location. He eventually commit suicide after murdering 32 people.
9/3/2008 – Isaac Zamora went on a shooting rampage in Alger, Washington that killed 6 people, including a motorist shot during a high speed chase with police. He eventually surrendered to police.
3/29/2009 – Robert Stewart went on a killing rampage armed with a rifle, and a shotgun in a nursing home in Carthage, North Carolina. He killed 8 people and was apprehended after a shootout with police.
4/3/2009 – Jiverly Wong went on a shooting rampage at a American Civic Association immigration center in Binghamton, New York where he was enrolled in a citizenship class. 13 people were killed before the shooter killed himself. Witnesses say he turned the gun on himself as soon as he heard police sirens approaching.
11/5/2009 – Nidal Malik Hasan was the shooter behind the Fort Hood shooting at a military base just outside Killeen, Texas. The shooter entered the Soldier Readiness Processing Center, where personnel are disarmed, armed with a laser sighted pistol and a Smith & Wesson revolver. He killed 13 people before he was shot by a Civilian Police officer.
2/12/2010 – Amy Bishop went on a shooting rampage in classroom at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, Alabama. She killed 3 people before the Dean of the University, Debra Moriarity pushed the her out of the room and blockaded the door. She was arrested later.
1/8/2011 – Jared Lee Loughner is charged with the shooting in Tucson, Arizona that killed 6 people, including Chief U.S. District Court Judge John Roll. He was stopped when he was tackled by two civilians.
2/27/2012 – T.J. Lane entered Chardon High School in Chardon, Ohio with a handgun and started shooting. 3 students died. The shooter was chased out of the building by a teacher and apprehended by police later.
4/22/2012 – Kiarron Parker opened fire in a church parking lot in Aurora, Colorado. The shooter killed 1 person before being shot and killed by a member of the congregation who was carrying concealed.
7/20/2012 – James Holmes went into a crowded movie theater in Aurora, Colorado and opens fire with an AR-15 semi-automatic assault rifle. 12 people were killed, before the shooter surrendered to police.
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #106 on: August 24, 2012, 12:31:40 PM »
Ever heard of social security numbers?

You are already catalogued like live stock. Whoopdee do.

Yo do know you cna go to a homelwess shelter give them a fake name and that you dont remember you ssn or bday. They will make up a bday and  the Social Security admnins will assign you a new SSN. The real me was off the grid years ago.
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #107 on: August 24, 2012, 12:39:10 PM »
You don't see the difference, between a random number generated for you,
or even pictures of your finger prints, is different than actual DNA??

Takes a court order to take your blood or DNA, they must show cause..
You do know this, right???
 

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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #108 on: August 24, 2012, 12:44:29 PM »
Danny is talking gibberish.

The career criminals that continue to commit crimes are never dealt with so why should the innocents be DNA checked before they commit a crime.

I know people who are have been criminals since they were kids and they continue to commit crimes.

The courts in UK the don't send people to jail because its not deemed he right thing to do.

The whole criminals justice system would collapse if criminal's were dealt with in a proper manner the Insurance companies would be bankrupt because people would not need insurance. (lots of concerns make lots of money out of dealing with crime)
 
In my opinion if you have broke into more then 10 peoples houses you should be shot. (your responsible for your own actions)
 
If you are a drug addict who continues to commit crime you should be shot.(your responsible for our own actions)

If your a sex case you should be shot (you are responsible for your own actions)

Tell me in a single sentence what is wrong in doing people in who cannot behave themselves?

I agree Zack, and as ever gibberish is my forte, however you need to catch the burgling raping criminal damaging litle beggers in order to shoot them. I like your massacre the criminal underclass idea. The criminal justice system is at fault for not being able to properly sentence the little scrotes to death by cheese grater. But at least we could catch the serious offenders and hopefully they would get shanked in Winson Green. Apologies for lack of punctuation. I am crap at typing on my phone
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #109 on: August 24, 2012, 12:45:41 PM »
Take it however you want.  It's an interesting read (if you read all of it)

http://dailyanarchist.com/2012/07/31/auditing-shooting-rampage-statistics/

9/6/1949 - Howard Barton Unruh went on a shooting rampage in Camden, New Jersey with a German Luger. He shot up a barber shop, a pharmacy and a tailor’s shop killing 13 people. He finally surrendered after a shoot-out with police.
8/1/1966 - Charles Joseph Whitman climbed a tower at the University of Texas in Austin, Texas and began shooting at other students and faculty with a sniper rifle. He killed 16 people before being shot and killed by police.
7/18/1984 – James Oliver Huberty shot up a McDonalds in San Ysidro, California killing 21 people before police shoot and killed him.
10/16/1991 - George Hennard entered Luby’s Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas and began indiscriminately shooting the patrons. He killed 23 people in all. He commit suicide after being cornered and wounded in a shootout with police.
11/15/1995 – Jamie Rouse used a .22-caliber semi-automatic rifle to fire indiscriminately inside Richland High School in Lynnville, Tennessee. He killed 2 people before being tackled by a football player and a coach.
2/2/1996 - Barry Loukaitis entered Frontier Middle School in Moses Lake, Washington with a rifle and two handguns. He killed 3 people before the Gym teacher, Jon Lane grabbed the rifle and wrestled the gunman to the ground.
10/1/1997 - Luke Woodham put on a trench coat to conceal a hunting rifle and entered Pearl High School in Pearl, Mississippi. He killed 3 students before vice principal Joel Myrick apprehended him with a Colt .45 without firing.
12/1/1997 - Michael Carneal brought a pistol, two rifles and two shotguns to his high school in Paducah, Kentucky and opened fire on a small prayer group killing 3 girls. His rampage was halted when he was tackled by another student.
4/24/1998 - Andrew Wurst attended a middle school dance in Edinboro, Pennsylvania intent on killing a bully but shot wildly into the crowd. He killed 1 student. James Strand lived next door. When he heard the shots he ran over with his 12 gauge shotgun and apprehended the gunman without firing.
5/21/1998 - Kipland Kinkel entered Thurston High School in Springfield, Oregon with two pistols and a semi-automatic rifle hidden under a trench coat. He opened fire killing 2 students, but while reloading a wounded student named Jacob Ryker tackled him.
4/20/1999 - Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris were the killers behind the Columbine shooting in Littleton, Colorado. The two both commit suicide after police arrived, but what many people do not know is that the school’s armed security guard and the police all stood and waited outside the library while executions happed right inside. 15 people died, not including the shooters.
7/31/1999 - Mark Barton was a daytrader who went on a shooting rampage through two day trading firms in Atlanta, Georgia. He killed 12 people in all and after a police chase he was surrounded by police at a gas station where he commit suicide.
1/16/2002 – Peter Odighizuwa opened fire with a handgun at The Appalachian School in Grundy, Virginia. 3 people were killed before the shooter was apprehended by 3 students, Mikael Gross, Ted Besen, and Tracy Bridges with handguns without firing.
8/27/2003 – Salvador Tapia entered an auto parts store in Chicago, Illinois and shot and killed 6 people with a handgun. He then waged a gunbattle with police before a SWAT team fatally wounded him.
9/24/2003 – John Jason McLaughlin brought a .22-caliber pistol to Rocori High School in Cold Spring, Minnesota. He killed 2 people before PE teacher, Mark Johnson confronted him, disarmed him, and held him in the school office for police to arrive.
2/25/2005 – David Hernandez Arroyo Sr. opened fire on a public square from the steps of a courthouse in Tyler, Texas. The shooter was armed with an assault rifle and wearing body armor. Mark Wilson fired back with a handgun, hitting the shooter but not penetrating the armor. Mark drew the shooter’s fire, and ultimately drove him off, but was fatally wounded. Mark was the only death in this incident.
3/21/2005 – Jeff Weise was a student at Red Lake High School in Red Lake, Minnesota. He killed 7 people including a teacher and a security guard. When police cornered him inside the school, he shot and killed himself.
11/8/2005 – Kenneth Bartley, Jr. brought a .22 caliber pistol to Campbell County Comprehensive High School in Jacksboro, Tennessee and killed 1 person before being disarmed by a teacher.
9/29/2006 – Eric Hainstock brought a .22 caliber revolver and a 20-gauge shotgun into Weston High School in Cazenovia, Wisconson. He killed 1 person before staff and students apprehended him and held him until the police arrived.
4/16/2007 – Seung-Hui Cho was the shooter behind the Virgina Tech shooting in Blacksburg, Virginia. Police apprehend the wrong suspect allowing the shooter to walk across campus and open fire again in a second location. He eventually commit suicide after murdering 32 people.
9/3/2008 – Isaac Zamora went on a shooting rampage in Alger, Washington that killed 6 people, including a motorist shot during a high speed chase with police. He eventually surrendered to police.
3/29/2009 – Robert Stewart went on a killing rampage armed with a rifle, and a shotgun in a nursing home in Carthage, North Carolina. He killed 8 people and was apprehended after a shootout with police.
4/3/2009 – Jiverly Wong went on a shooting rampage at a American Civic Association immigration center in Binghamton, New York where he was enrolled in a citizenship class. 13 people were killed before the shooter killed himself. Witnesses say he turned the gun on himself as soon as he heard police sirens approaching.
11/5/2009 – Nidal Malik Hasan was the shooter behind the Fort Hood shooting at a military base just outside Killeen, Texas. The shooter entered the Soldier Readiness Processing Center, where personnel are disarmed, armed with a laser sighted pistol and a Smith & Wesson revolver. He killed 13 people before he was shot by a Civilian Police officer.
2/12/2010 – Amy Bishop went on a shooting rampage in classroom at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, Alabama. She killed 3 people before the Dean of the University, Debra Moriarity pushed the her out of the room and blockaded the door. She was arrested later.
1/8/2011 – Jared Lee Loughner is charged with the shooting in Tucson, Arizona that killed 6 people, including Chief U.S. District Court Judge John Roll. He was stopped when he was tackled by two civilians.
2/27/2012 – T.J. Lane entered Chardon High School in Chardon, Ohio with a handgun and started shooting. 3 students died. The shooter was chased out of the building by a teacher and apprehended by police later.
4/22/2012 – Kiarron Parker opened fire in a church parking lot in Aurora, Colorado. The shooter killed 1 person before being shot and killed by a member of the congregation who was carrying concealed.
7/20/2012 – James Holmes went into a crowded movie theater in Aurora, Colorado and opens fire with an AR-15 semi-automatic assault rifle. 12 people were killed, before the shooter surrendered to police.

These people were crimminals you cannot stop crimminals, THEY WERE CRIMMINALS NOT NORMAL PEOPLE :old:
These people are not like you and me who are not criminals, people have to stop seeing crimminals as the same as me and you  and see them for what they are outcast who should be dealt with using maximun force.

They used guns because they were crimminals the guns did not commit the crimminal act :old:

I have read that people would rather be able to defend themselves with a fire arm that be shot like a dog in the street I agree.

As I have stated before the Elites and do gooders in society don't care about the normal man in the street they are not affected by crime in anyway or form.
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #110 on: August 24, 2012, 12:48:15 PM »
who whould they execute crimalals once caught?  Thats takeing money out of the "system"
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #111 on: August 24, 2012, 12:49:38 PM »
You don't see the difference, between a random number generated for you,
or even pictures of your finger prints, is different than actual DNA??

Takes a court order to take your blood or DNA, they must show cause..
You do know this, right???
 

No I do not see the difference at all.  Your viewpoint is myopic.  In addition to DNA, blood type, RH factor should all be documented too (if not done already).  Hospitals should know what your blood type is as soon as you come through the emergency doors based on what is on central file.

Why are you so protective of your DNA?  Are you the missing link?   :lol :P

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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #112 on: August 24, 2012, 12:50:19 PM »
These people were crimminals you cannot stop crimminals, THEY WERE CRIMMINALS NOT NORMAL PEOPLE :old:
These people are not like you and me who are not criminals, people have to stop seeing crimminals as the same as me and you  and see them for what they are outcast who should be dealt with using maximun force.

They used guns because they were crimminals the guns did not commit the crimminal act :old:

I have read that people would rather be able to defend themselves with a fire arm that be shot like a dog in the street I agree.

As I have stated before the Elites and do gooders in society don't care about the normal man in the street they are not affected by crime in anyway or form.
They were not criminals until they went on their rampage...

See: James Holmes

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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #113 on: August 24, 2012, 12:56:31 PM »
That does not answer how someone can control you with your DNA.

I do however understand one's fear of being caught in a crime.

Are you really being secure in your person by limiting police the ability to catch someone who may commit a crime against you or your's?

Here's a debate on the pluses and negatives of DNA sampling....

http://debates.juggle.com/should-governments-create-a-dna-database-of-all-citizens

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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #114 on: August 24, 2012, 01:07:04 PM »
No I do not see the difference at all.  Your viewpoint is myopic.  In addition to DNA, blood type, RH factor should all be documented too (if not done already).  Hospitals should know what your blood type is as soon as you come through the emergency doors based on what is on central file.

Why are you so protective of your DNA?  Are you the missing link?   :lol :P

Some people dont want to go  spreading there DNA  all over the place, its just a messy situation  if you open pandora's box on this one.
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #115 on: August 24, 2012, 01:09:23 PM »
who whould they execute crimalals once caught?  Thats takeing money out of the "system"

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« Reply #116 on: August 24, 2012, 01:12:58 PM »
Me. For free

Thats because you're not a cog in the system. Prison for profit is  a good business to be in unles syoure the product.
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #117 on: August 24, 2012, 01:22:29 PM »
No I do not see the difference at all.  Your viewpoint is myopic.  In addition to DNA, blood type, RH factor should all be documented too (if not done already).  Hospitals should know what your blood type is as soon as you come through the emergency doors based on what is on central file.

Why are you so protective of your DNA?  Are you the missing link?   :lol :P


Why is it so important to take DNA, if there is no suspicion of anything????
Still haven't explained that yet???

I don't want my DNA to "Be on central file".. (see, we are gettin there eventually)
Because I am not Property of the State! ROFL, is that hard to grasp for you???

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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #118 on: August 24, 2012, 01:33:06 PM »
... but our gun crime is low enough they count every callout to a kid with a toy gun as a firearms callout  :D

I think you've hit on a major part of the issue here, maybe without realizing it.

The media here in the US is extremely prejudiced when it comes to firearms (and other points as well).  They will not cover "pro-gun" stances/occurrences/events, etc, except in very rare instances.

They will, however, go out of their way to cover anything anti-gun that they can scrape up and will even skew stories to fit their anti-gun agenda.

If there was a case where a rogue gunman was "handled" due to an armed citizen stepping in, the media hype would be over the rogue gunman, and how messed up our society is.  They'd skim over or ignore altogether that the event had been brought under control due to an armed law-abiding citizen.

It would be a huge mistake to take what you hear through the media as gospel.  It's far from balanced.  If you took what you heard through the media as completely factual and balanced, you might even think that American culture was fairly violent and that armed criminals were around every corner...  FAR from true.

If you want an accurate picture of American culture, crime, and firearms, you won't get it from the media.

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From a different perspective, I'd even go so far as to say the media is directly to blame for many of the gun-related mass murder incidents.  Many of these nutcases are "looking to show the world" something, or prove something, or go out with a "big bang".  The media is guaranteed to cover and blow these incidents up way out of proportion...  What better way to get famous than through guaranteed media coverage???

In reality, these gun-related crimes are infrequent, scattered, and random.  They are far from a realistic day-to-day threat for 99.999% of Americans.  We're threatened far more by texting drivers, drunk drivers, white-tailed deer, insects, and the potential that we may fall out of bed or down a flight of stairs in our home.

The media just plain loves the hype they can create when one of these incidents occurs, and loves the idea that they could use it to push their anti-gun agenda.
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Re: Gun control laws do they work ?
« Reply #119 on: August 24, 2012, 01:39:55 PM »
Why is it so important to take DNA, if there is no suspicion of anything????
Still haven't explained that yet???

I don't want my DNA to "Be on central file".. (see, we are gettin there eventually)
Because I am not Property of the State! ROFL, is that hard to grasp for you???

This is fun, I'll be back later, have work to do..

I see it as one more step to total control over the population..... :aok

I like Grizz he is a friend, but we differ very much in how we think about certain things....does not make him a bad person....