Gun control laws do they work ?

[DaveJ]

not really, sadly most of today's media has some kind of spin or bias, some more blatant than others

Fox is even more of a joke 'news' outlet than most though, as everyone with half a brain knows

give me the good old BBC any day ;]

Right, so anyone here who watches Fox News here is ignorant and has a half a brain? I think I'll take my chances having intellectual and philosophical discussion with you any day. I've run into so many people like you before.

[gpwurzel]

The BBC isn't an unbiased source of news either.

Just sayin,


Wurz

[coombz]

Right, so anyone here who watches Fox News here is ignorant and has a half a brain?

pretty much

you can be sure their target audience isn't intelligent people who can think for themselves, when they put up stuff like this:



there was an even better graph recently, where one axis started at some arbitrary number instead of at 0...can't remember the story or find the link though. just blatantly targeting stupid people who will just believe anything they hear on the TV. it's pretty sad that so many Americans fit into that category :

wurz, you are right mate, as I said in my post above it is a sad fact that every media outlet these days has some kind of spin - I still think the BBC is far better than the majority though.

[Widewing]

Following this line of thinking, nothing should be illegal because if someone wants to do it, they will find a way.... this rational is nonsense and you know it...

When "things" are made illegal, it's usually because the government (Federal, State or local) wants to regulate behavior. Often that behavior would be limited to a small portion of the population. The net result is that the whole population is restricted, except those who ignore authority. More often that not, those who ignore authority are precisely that small portion of the population whose behavior the government wanted to regulate... The most amazing thing is that the government, never, ever learns this.

[Widewing]

pretty much

you can be sure their target audience isn't intelligent people who can think for themselves, when they put up stuff like this:

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there was an even better graph recently, where one axis started at some arbitrary number instead of at 0...can't remember the story or find the link though. just blatantly targeting stupid people who will just believe anything they hear on the TV. it's pretty sad that so many Americans fit into that category :

wurz, you are right mate, as I said in my post above it is a sad fact that every media outlet these days has some kind of spin - I still think the BBC is far better than the majority though.

What's wrong with that chart? I see you found it on the Mediamatters.org website... An organization/website largely funded by George Soros to undermine and damage Fox news. Billionaire George Soros... Hater of everything American. If you believe anything presented by mediamatters.org as anything more than half truth or outright lie, well, you'd be an idiot. 
Here's the organizations funded, or partially funded by Soros.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=977

By the way, that chart you mocked is exactly accurate per data from the Federal Bureau of Labor Statistics. You can go to the source and download the data from 2005 though July 2012 right here:
http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ln

[coombz]

You can't see what is wrong with that chart and yet you call me an idiot  

By the way that picture and story can be seen on a lot of places other than mediamatters, it's not something they just dreamed up :]

I saw it on another forum a while ago and just Google'd to find it again

[Widewing]

You can't see what is wrong with that chart and yet you call me an idiot  

By the way that picture and story can be seen on a lot of places other than mediamatters, it's not something they just dreamed up :]

I saw it on another forum a while ago and just Google'd to find it again

We can all see that the last point on the curve was mis-located... So what? The percentage shown is correct.

How about this? http://youtu.be/W1W9ih09gxU

Or this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-eeWow_WU

Simple, sometimes amusing errors are not what we judge by, unless we're the smug type.....

[coombz]

Ah the classic partisan deflection/topic change by pointing at the other side

I was making fun of Fox News and it's viewers, if we're going to switch to mocking American politics in its entirety then just go back 10 pages or so and refer to my previous posts

[Ardy123]

When "things" are made illegal, it's usually because the government (Federal, State or local) wants to regulate behavior. Often that behavior would be limited to a small portion of the population. The net result is that the whole population is restricted, except those who ignore authority. More often that not, those who ignore authority are precisely that small portion of the population whose behavior the government wanted to regulate... The most amazing thing is that the government, never, ever learns this.

Or maybe when an item is highly regulated, and the law is vigorously enforced, it generally reduces total supply. The less available an item is, less likely it will be used...

[W7LPNRICK]

no it was lots of things that made it possible for just box cutters to be the only thing that was used but what killed most of the people wasnt box cutters it was airplanes full of fuel that did it. 

semp

Mostly what killed all those people was not knowing they were in imminent threat of death. An unarmed man will surely attack an armed man if he will die if he doesn't. The thought the Boxer Cutter wielding Nut Job was hi-jacking them in typical fashion...to make threats & later demands. I would not hesitate to attack someone holding a knife who is trying to fly me into a bldg in a jumbo jet. The next attempt was met with resistance and nearly foiled, because one man was on the phone to his mother who told them what was going to happen. So he knew if he didn't try, they would surely die.

[W7LPNRICK]

where the hell do you live that you need that kind of firepower to survive?  it is rare for people to bring fully automatic weapons to break into a home.  I can understand for a liquor store or something like that, but for a home?  do you have like millions of dollars worth of stuff in your house that will tempt somebody to do a military type operation for you?

most criminals will turn around as soon as they hear shots coming their way.  they're there to get something easy to steal not to shoot it out.

I understand being prepared, but I refused to live in fear like most paranoid (cant think of a better word) people do.  I have hand guns in my house one in my desk and one in my drawer next to my bed but I dont feel the need to have hundreds of rounds next to each one.



semp

Why do you assume that if the fight isn't over in 5 minutes & 10 rounds, that it's not realistic? Our world is becoming more violent every day. We have seen assaults on Banks with full auto AK's with 100's of rounds, multiple clips, flack jackets & helmets, & you still think a similar scenario with "drug dealers at the wrong house" is impossible....or.....

[DaveJ]

You can't see what is wrong with that chart and yet you call me an idiot  

By the way that picture and story can be seen on a lot of places other than mediamatters, it's not something they just dreamed up :]

I saw it on another forum a while ago and just Google'd to find it again

There is nothing wrong with that chart. Unemployment figures deal in tenth of percentage points. If you tried a bigger range, no one could tell there was any chance in the graph.

[Ardy123]

my fav fox news gaffe...

[DaveJ]

Or maybe when an item is highly regulated, and the law is vigorously enforced, it generally reduces total supply. The less available an item is, less likely it will be used...

Or maybe criminals will find ways to get said items, and when the general population is unable to get them for themselves, they are less secure and more vulnerable to an attack.

[DaveJ]

my fav fox news gaffe...
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I could give you a treasure chest of MSNBC clips filled with presenters and guests who hate-monger and spew vile and nasty things on air.