Last time USA defeated the queens navy?

[TheBug]

Although it is not strictly about the War of 1812, I highly recommend this book.

Six Frigates: The Epic History of the Founding of the U.S. Navy by Ian W. Toll


http://www.amazon.com/Six-Frigates-Epic-History-Founding/dp/039333032X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1348242881&sr=1-1&keywords=six+ships

It gives a lot of insight to the birth of our nation along with the birth of the Navy and the naval aspects of it's early battles.  It is written very well and not just boring historical text.   

[danny76]

The war of 1812, the brits attacked America in the North Atlantic Sea only because America was helping those suffering in France do to the Brit war with France. I think the American Navy defeated the queens navy....... Do any of you know about the war of 1812?  Tell me more please, cant find much info about it on google

Roughly translated 'I can find enough google articles to keep me going till next Christmas, but there is a good chance this'll cause a ruck

[Nathan60]

Napoleon was a bigger problem, if you had, at that time, been faced with the entire British Navy and Army... there would be little to nothing you could do to stop it.

They said that the first time around

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsRK3DNoa_Q

[GScholz]

We won the War though the Brits did considerable damage, short of the Battle of New Orleans.

Correct?

Boo

Most Americans probably feel they won the war. To them is was kind of a second war of independence. To the British (those who know about it) it was a sideshow to the Napoleonic war. To the rest of the world (those who know about it) it was a draw, bordering on defeat for the United States.

On one hand the U.S. had declared war on the most powerful nation on Earth and survived; no small feat. On the other hand the U.S. had declared war on another nation, and invaded it (Lower and Upper Canada) only to be repulsed, had its capitol sacked, and ended the war without achieving any strategic goals.

From the British point of view they had suffered shipping losses to piracy by U.S. ships (or privateers supported by the U.S.), been declared war on and invaded (Canada). The British repulsed the U.S. attempt to annex Canada and through a number of local actions, including the sacking of Washington DC, put the U.S. in its place.

In modern historical examination of the war of 1812 the British really hold the higher moral ground, and achieved their war goals. The perhaps most striking moral act of the war was the British offer of freedom to American slaves. Several thousand slaves escaped to the British and were resettled elsewhere in the British Empire, some in Canada. The U.S. protested Britain's refusal to return the slaves, which violated the Treaty of Ghent. After Russian arbitration instead of returning the slaves the British paid the U.S. government, which reimbursed the slave owners.

[smoe]

The War of 1812 probably has a lot of differences depending on what side everyone favors. I remember watching a History/Military Channel's version of the war a few years back. The war largely started because the British blockaded the Atlantic coast of the US. I remember the British trying to take a few key ports, but fell short from to bad luck.

Heck if you want to know more about the US's military luck, just watch all the episodes of The History Channel's - Battle 360. For example, more than a few times the USS Enterprise experienced a little bad luck. A few of those bad luck experiences are thought to have saved her from an even worse fate.

[smoe]

The War of 1812 probably has a lot of differences depending on what side everyone favors. I remember watching a History/Military Channel's version of the war a few years back. The war largely started because the British blockaded the Atlantic coast of the US. I remember the British trying to take a few key ports, but fell short from to bad luck.

Heck if you want to know more about the US's military luck, just watch all the episodes of The History Channel's - Battle 360. For example, more than a few times the USS Enterprise experienced a little bad luck. A few of those bad luck experiences are thought to have saved her from a worse fate.

[smoe]

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[madhogg]

Most Americans probably feel they won the war. To them is was kind of a second war of independence. To the British (those who know about it) it was a sideshow to the Napoleonic war. To the rest of the world (those who know about it) it was a draw, bordering on defeat for the United States.

On one hand the U.S. had declared war on the most powerful nation on Earth and survived; no small feat. On the other hand the U.S. had declared war on another nation, and invaded it (Lower and Upper Canada) only to be repulsed, had its capitol sacked, and ended the war without achieving any strategic goals.

From the British point of view they had suffered shipping losses to piracy by U.S. ships (or privateers supported by the U.S.), been declared war on and invaded (Canada). The British repulsed the U.S. attempt to annex Canada and through a number of local actions, including the sacking of Washington DC, put the U.S. in its place.

In modern historical examination of the war of 1812 the British really hold the higher moral ground, and achieved their war goals. The perhaps most striking moral act of the war was the British offer of freedom to American slaves. Several thousand slaves escaped to the British and were resettled elsewhere in the British Empire, some in Canada. The U.S. protested Britain's refusal to return the slaves, which violated the Treaty of Ghent. After Russian arbitration instead of returning the slaves the British paid the U.S. government, which reimbursed the slave owners.

Are you American?

[Plawranc]

I can tell you this.

As in the war of 1812 and indeed the War of Independence.

If Britain REALLY REALLY REALLY was serious about removing these pesky tea vandal colonials ( I still haven't forgiven you yanks for destroying such precious drinking pleasure ). They would have Sailed, then Marched, all the way through, exterminating every living thing and taken North America back.

I think its the biggest touch of irony that the USA is notorious amongst nations of the world for the endless taunts of "We saved you in such a such". Yet the USA's entire existence was, and IS, dependent on other countries.

Without the support of France and Spain in 1776 and France in the war of 1812. And Britain being allowed to bring its true might to the battlefield. The USA would very likely be a commonwealth country. With independence secured at roughly the same time as Canada. In "The America's bill" or some such thing.

[GScholz]

The War of 1812 probably has a lot of differences depending on what side everyone favors. I remember watching a History/Military Channel's version of the war a few years back. The war largely started because the British blockaded the Atlantic coast of the US. I remember the British trying to take a few key ports, but fell short from to bad luck.

There were many reasons for the U.S. government to start the war, but that was not one of them. The British didn't blockade U.S. ports until after the declaration of war. The primary reason for war was American expansionism. Expansion into the Northwest Territory was being obstructed by the native population, supported and armed by the British (from Canada). There was also a real desire to annex Canada and if not rid the Americas of the British once and for all, at least control them. Madison and his advisers believed that conquest of Canada would be easy, and that economic coercion would force the British to come to terms by cutting off the food supply for their West Indies colonies.

[GScholz]

Are you American?

Um... No. I'm from Norway.

[Nathan60]

So the Brits just up and walked away from one of the richest resource areas on Earth after figthing  over it for hundreds of years they just up and walked away? No wonder the empire collapsed.

[GScholz]

That's a very simplistic view. A very large part of the peace was in fact trade; the British blockade reduced American foreign trade to a trickle, but also hurt British interests in the West Indies and Canada that had depended on that trade. The economic fallout was so critical that the six states of New England was considering secession from the Union. British landowners grew weary of high taxes, and colonial interests and merchants called on the government to reopen trade with the U.S. by ending the war.

America and Britain had already become co-dependent on each other's trade; both nations quickly resumed trade after the end of the war, and over time nurtured a growing friendship that survives to this day.

[GScholz]

Oh and btw, the British Empire never collapsed. It changed, politically, economically, over time, to the British Commonwealth which continues today as the Commonwealth of Nations.

[Nathan60]

America and Britain had already become co-dependent on each other's trade; both nations quickly resumed trade after the end of the war, and over time nurtured a growing friendship that survives to this day.

But If they REALLY REALLY REALLY wanted to they could made it part of the empire again and controlled the tariffs and taxes from trade between the 2. Leaving it Independent nixed that they had to be far sighted enough to realise that sooner or late the US would become independant of even their trade and a competitor.