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Offline Hajo

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Re: He111 is HERE!!!!!!!!
« Reply #225 on: April 11, 2013, 05:08:39 PM »
Great addition. We don't need the most greatestfastestbiggestgunzhoa ndrun aircraft......we have enough for the first person shooter community in this game already.

He111....one of the most beautiful bombers in my opinion.  It was THEE early war workhorse for the Luftwaffe and they made more then 152 of them :aok
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« Reply #226 on: April 11, 2013, 05:13:36 PM »
What are all of its available ordnance packages?   :pray
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Re: He111 is HERE!!!!!!!!
« Reply #227 on: April 11, 2013, 05:19:36 PM »
Ordnance:
32x 50kg
8x 250kg
2x 500kg + 835lt bomb bay tank
1x 1000kg + 835lt bomb bay tank
2x 1000kg
1x 1800kg

Gun Packages:
6x 7.9mm
5x 7.9mm 1x 20mm (2 of these packages. Cannon either in the nose of the Ventral)
4x 7.9mm 2x 20mm
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Re: He111 is HERE!!!!!!!!
« Reply #228 on: April 11, 2013, 05:19:54 PM »
What are all of its available ordnance packages?   :pray

32x50kg
8x250kg
2x500kg + bomb bay tank
1x1000kg + bomb bay tank
2x1000kg
1x1800kg
2x Torpedo

bay tank adds 1/2 hour at FB 2.0 for a total endurance @SL of 2.7h
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Re: He111 is HERE!!!!!!!!
« Reply #229 on: April 11, 2013, 05:23:14 PM »
They added the rather rare and field-mod nose 20mm option? Why?

Seems to pander a bit to the "I want" crowd despite past HTC policies.

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Re: He111 is HERE!!!!!!!!
« Reply #230 on: April 11, 2013, 05:24:32 PM »
They added the rather rare and field-mod nose 20mm option? Why?

Seems to pander a bit to the "I want" crowd despite past HTC policies.

Pony B is now not the only field modded plane in the game :)
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« Reply #231 on: April 11, 2013, 05:25:59 PM »
Pony B is now not the only field modded plane in the game :)

Malcolm hood isn't quite a field mod. Doesn't count.

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Re: He111 is HERE!!!!!!!!
« Reply #232 on: April 11, 2013, 05:26:30 PM »
Love how the bombs tumble out tail first.  :aok and flying her around with all that glass in the nose is just plain fun  :airplane:
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Re: He111 is HERE!!!!!!!!
« Reply #233 on: April 11, 2013, 05:31:17 PM »
I swear I just read this.


A mod in the field isn't a field mod.


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« Reply #234 on: April 11, 2013, 05:36:35 PM »
That's a link directly up to the post I just made, but changing the words I said....


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Re: He111 is HERE!!!!!!!!
« Reply #235 on: April 11, 2013, 05:50:21 PM »
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« Reply #236 on: April 11, 2013, 05:52:39 PM »
Malcolm hood isn't quite a field mod. Doesn't count.

LOL Thanks for the laugh, just like the B-25c gun package wasn't a field mod either. HTC has a VERY loose rule about field mods and bend it when it whenever they want.
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« Reply #237 on: April 11, 2013, 05:59:48 PM »
LOL Thanks for the laugh, just like the B-25c gun package wasn't a field mod either. HTC has a VERY loose rule about field mods and bend it when it whenever they want.

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Re: He111 is HERE!!!!!!!!
« Reply #238 on: April 11, 2013, 06:05:57 PM »
LOL Thanks for the laugh, just like the B-25c gun package wasn't a field mod either. HTC has a VERY loose rule about field mods and bend it when it whenever they want.


You seem to not really know the story behind the Malcolm Hood. It was NAA engineers that designed it. It wasn't just a spitfire canopy bolted on. It was a custom built part that NAA issued to replace canopies at the depot level. It actually took a lot of effort to install.

From: http://www.mustangsmustangs.us/thehangar/index.php?PHPSESSID=sfvdf5rtbq58jkso2shkdfcq30&topic=846.msg3649#msg3649

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The history of the Malcolm hood on the P-51 is full of misconceptions.  First, it is not an adaption of a (much smaller) Spitfire hood. They are totally different airplanes, with different dimensions and cross sections. The blown hood was merely inspired by that produced for the Spitfire. RAF test records indicate that the engineering work for the blown Mustang hood was done in the UK by North American Aviation engineers (i.e., it was an NAA engineered design, not a British one, thus factory approved and "official" as opposed to some cobbled up field mod.)  Once a prototype was tested (on a Mustang I), production was turned over to Malcolm Ltd. to refine it for production, and produce the kits. The engineering required a lot of internal airframe modifications, and the stresses and aerodynamics were all considered. The Malcolm hood kit took about 135 manhours to install. It wasn't simply an unbolt the old one and bolt on the new one affair. Kits were issued at both depot and squadron levels.  New canopy side rails had to built up, the runners for the canopy installed, the internal structure for supporting the hood rails had to be added, the hand cranking mechanism had to be installed and a new jettison mechanism fitted.

And your commentary from the B-25 corner....

Per Joe Baugher:

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The idea of modifying the B-25 as a "strafer" seems to have originated with NAA field service representative Jack Fox and Major Paul I. "Pappy" Gunn of the 3rd Bombardment Group. Fox and Gunn satisfied General Kenney that this was an idea worth trying, and the General gave them authorization to proceed.

B-25C serial number 41-12437 was chosen for the initial tests. Since in a low-level, high-speed attack the bombs would be released by the pilot, there was no need for a bombardier. Consequently, the bombardier position was removed and replaced with a package of four fixed 0.50-inch machine guns with 500 rpg and aimed directly forward. The guns protruded from a metal plate that replaced the flat bomb-aiming panel. In addition, four more fixed 0.50-inch machine guns were installed in individual external blisters, two on each side of the fuselage. Blast protection from the fuselage blister guns was achieved by using blast tubes on the gun barrels and by mounting large sheet metal plates on the fuselage sides that covered the entire blast area. The plane was appropriately named "Pappy's Folly". In the first tests, the fuselage guns were found to be too far forward for the center of gravity, and were later moved further aft.

Trials were sufficiently impressive for General Kenney to order more strafer conversions. By the end of February 1943, twelve strafers were completed by the Eagle Farms operation in Australia and assigned to the 90th Squadron.

(... snip out a combat encounter ...)

The strafer concept was so successful that by September 1943, 175 B-25Cs and Ds had been converted for low-level strafing by the depot at Townsville, Australia. By that time, five squadrons had been so equipped.

These were ordered from a high ranking General, assembled at factories and then shipped to squadrons for use.

So, you're implying something inaccurate on both accounts.

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Re: He111 is HERE!!!!!!!!
« Reply #239 on: April 11, 2013, 06:10:18 PM »
Ordnance:
32x 50kg
8x 250kg
2x 500kg + 835lt bomb bay tank
1x 1000kg + 835lt bomb bay tank
2x 1000kg
1x 1800kg

Gun Packages:
6x 7.9mm
5x 7.9mm 1x 20mm (2 of these packages. Cannon either in the nose of the Ventral)
4x 7.9mm 2x 20mm


That's... pretty dang flexible, sweet!

I wonder if we can request a 4x 250kg + 835lt tank loadout?


Pony B is now not the only field modded plane in the game :)

Please give the 190s some of THAT lovin'!!!!
« Last Edit: April 11, 2013, 06:12:48 PM by Babalonian »
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