Lanc .303's overmodelled?

[danny76]

12x.303 multiplied by three buffs makes 36x.303 on the sweet spot.That's a fair amount of lead on target.

Boo

36 x .303? How do you reach that figure? Even being hit by resr turrets and top guns I can only count half that.

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

yea maths a bit off.


4+4+4 = 12

If its a high angle and the top turrets are firing as well its still 18 .303's. That is a LOT of firepower coming down on any target.

[danny76]

yea maths a bit off.


4+4+4 = 12

If its a high angle and the top turrets are firing as well its still 18 .303's. That is a LOT of firepower coming down on any target.

I know. my point was that a 12 gun Hurri does not seem to do anything like the damage at 400 yards as the 12 turret guns do at 800

[Ack-Ack]

High Lancs have a pretty good chance at getting a shot at you from the tail unless you are spot-on in a good high-alt fighter.  That thing has some serious angles.

Again, this time I'll type it slower for you to understand.  If...you...get...hit...by...t ail...guns...while...attackin g...a...bomber...you're...doing...something...wron g.

ack-ack

[tunnelrat]

Again, this time I'll type it slower for you to understand.  If...you...get...hit...by...t ail...guns...while...attackin g...a...bomber...you're...doing...something...wron g.

ack-ack

Always have to resort to being a sweetheart, don't you?

Come at my Lancs at 30k in your pick-and-run 38 you so love, and I promise you'll either go home or eat some tail gun lead, stud.

[Lusche]

Come at my Lancs at 30k in your pick-and-run 38 you so love, and I promise you'll either go home or eat some tail gun lead, stud.

Your Lancs at 30k?

[tunnelrat]

Your Lancs at 30k?

At service ceiling

BOOM.

[coombz]

Except that historically speaking bombers were never death spewing monsters, they were dead meat in the hands of fighters if they had no escort to protect them.

So basically, exactly the same as in AH then?

I find bombers to be pretty much free kills if I find myself at co-alt or above them.

And I'm really not very good.

[Lusche]

The practical service ceiling of the Lancs is well below 30k, easy to get in front and above of it in a P-38

[Lusche]

I find bombers to be pretty much free kills if I find myself at co-alt or above them.

And I'm really not very good.

I have a K/D of well above 1.0 in most bombers in AH, most above 2.0 even.

And that's ONLY because the majority of players invariably attacks from 6 o clock. They spend 10 minutes or more to climb up to me, and then can't spend another 5 minutes for a proper setup.
Once I see someone passing by and climbing above me outside my gun range, I know I'm screwed. And 8 out of 10 times I actually am.

[tunnelrat]

The practical service ceiling of the Lancs is well below 30k, easy to get in front and above of it in a P-38

I'm not saying it isn't, what is difficult at that altitude is making each pass without ever getting into the range of the entire rear hemisphere of the aircraft.

Not saying it can't be done, but even well executed attacks pass through that hemisphere... trick being to limit that exposure as much as possible.

[Rino]

Bombers scare me more than any fighter.

     Remind you of your ex-wife?  <g,d,rlh>

[pembquist]

I have a K/D of well above 1.0 in most bombers in AH, most above 2.0 even.

And that's ONLY because the majority of players invariably attacks from 6 o clock. They spend 10 minutes or more to climb up to me, and then can't spend another 5 minutes for a proper setup.
Once I see someone passing by and climbing above me outside my gun range, I know I'm screwed. And 8 out of 10 times I actually am.

My problem is when I try slashing attacks I can't hit anything unless I collide, the bombers are always below the nose and most of the time I'm firing blind unless I wait till I'm colliding.

[Lusche]

My problem is when I try slashing attacks I can't hit anything unless I collide, the bombers are always below the nose and most of the time I'm firing blind unless I wait till I'm colliding.

Yes it's certainly more difficult and needs some practice.
But easily overlooked is the fact that it's even more difficult for the bomber gunner to track (and hit) the fighter. He is easily disoriented and has to track rapidly changing angles and a high closure speed.

[Karnak]

And a couple hits from the top or nose turret of a Lancaster are unlikely to inflict significant damage.  Even .50s usually need multiple hits to do anything.