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262 vs F-86
« on: May 22, 2013, 12:05:29 AM »
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Re: 262 vs F-86
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2013, 01:46:29 AM »
The 262 wins the HO.
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Re: 262 vs F-86
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2013, 06:29:52 AM »
Imo the f86 had the advantage in the climb turn radius and the dive. Had decent slow speed characteristics and were known to exceed mach 1 in the dive but that is the aircraft. Now i. Terms of pilot skill relation time and processing of information in mere seconds the outcome could change. Furthermore the sabre has the 262 to thank for leading the way in aerdynamics. I may be off key but my money is on the f-86.
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Re: 262 vs F-86
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Re: 262 vs F-86
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2013, 07:16:52 PM »
Well, the Me 262 would have major trouble with the F-80A... The F-86A is in a completely different league. The Me 262 was obsolete by 1947, at the latest. Technology overtook it almost immediately after the war. It was brilliant in 1943, and not much more than a target by 1947. Why? Because aeronautical technology was racing ahead at a pace never before seen. And yes, much of that technology was pioneered by German scientists.
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Re: 262 vs F-86
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2013, 07:27:01 PM »
"Which would win in a fight; an M1 Abrams, or an M48 Patton?"


Of course, that the question can still be asked without being laughed off of the internet says a lot about the German's aeronautical engineering.

Anyone able to explain why they were more advanced? Was it just allocation of resources?
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Re: 262 vs F-86
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2013, 07:30:39 PM »
The F-86A is in a completely different league. The Me 262 was obsolete by 1947, at the latest. Technology overtook it almost immediately after the war. It was brilliant in 1943, and not much more than a target by 1947. Why? Because aeronautical technology was racing ahead at a pace never before seen.
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Re: 262 vs F-86
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2013, 07:38:57 PM »
"Which would win in a fight; an M1 Abrams, or an M48 Patton?"


Of course, that the question can still be asked without being laughed off of the internet says a lot about the German's aeronautical engineering.

Anyone able to explain why they were more advanced? Was it just allocation of resources?

Mr Hitler was a big fan of the most advanced equipment. So a lot of resources where put into the super weapons. The 262 was slowed down because he wanted it to be a fast bomber too, if it had been in the air in numbers before the end of 43, the daylight bombing offenses of the allies might have been slowed or even halted.

If there was enough 262s to chase off the defending fighters and then attack the bombers along with the heavy fighters like the 110,210, 190As etc. You could have 262s covering returning 262s so that the allied tactic of hitting them near their fields would not be as effective.

I think this would have forced the meteor into the front line to counter those jets far more.

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Re: 262 vs F-86
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2013, 07:42:43 PM »
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Re: 262 vs F-86
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2013, 07:52:18 PM »
"Which would win in a fight; an M1 Abrams, or an M48 Patton?"


Of course, that the question can still be asked without being laughed off of the internet says a lot about the German's aeronautical engineering.

Anyone able to explain why they were more advanced? Was it just allocation of resources?
The simple answer is that they weren't

Germany had a lot of the same/similar stuff on the drawing board in 1944, 1945 as the US, USSR and UK. Jet engines were simultaneously invented in the UK, Germany and Italy, and the US and the USSR got their own jets from the UK and were building lack luster jet fighters at the same time Germany was. Unlike the latter powers, however, which just continued to develop them into the post war years, in Germany there were a lot of half baked designs that were pressed into service out of desperation. The reality of the situation is that by late 1944 Germany was relying on fighters that were supposed to be phased out at least a year before hand, but couldn't because development resources were focused on experimental aircraft that really should've never been fielded in the first place.
"Of course, that the question can still be asked without being laughed off of the internet says a lot about the German's aeronautical engineering."
Not really, it says a lot more about the myth of German technical superiority. The idea that the Me 262, which is honestly the second-best jet of that war anyway, could compete with the F86 is actually ridiculous.
There's a gigantic myth about German military technology during the Second World War that has surfaced because a lot of designs and novel ideas were put forth that never got far enough into development for everyone to say 'hey, this is stupid and it will never work', and to us they look like amazing creations from some sort of fantasy sci-fi world... because that's exactly where they came from.
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Re: 262 vs F-86
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2013, 07:58:05 PM »
The OP's intention was for laughs I'll have you know :old:
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Re: 262 vs F-86
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2013, 08:53:30 PM »
The Germans to this day are still an engineering marvel. P.s the gun on the abrams is developed by the Germans and employed on there leopard 2 models
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Re: 262 vs F-86
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2013, 11:13:25 PM »
Not really, it says a lot more about the myth of German technical superiority. The idea that the Me 262, which is honestly the second-best jet of that war anyway, could compete with the F86 is actually ridiculous.

What would you consider the best jet of the war if not the 262?
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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2013, 12:11:25 AM »
Against the F-86 the 262 would stand little chance. However the P-80 did manage to kill a few MiG-15s, so it isn't inconceivable that the 262 could prevail against an F-86.

The P-80A and Meteor was markedly inferior to the 262 in almost every respect; the only WWII jet that was superior in performance was the He 162, but it was very limited in endurance.
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Re: 262 vs F-86
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2013, 12:15:55 AM »
Motherland:

just take a look on the Mig-15 and the Sabre. Do they look alike? What about the Messerschmitt P.1101, from '44? Any simmilarities?
Now tell me that the Mig and the Sabre werent massively influenced by the 1101 - im going further, i think they are the 1101 reborn.
Germans had no superior developements? Come on, they had the 1950 fighters on the drawing board in '44!
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