What Ever Happened to NOE??

[MrRiplEy[H]]

When NOE was adjusted for with RADAR to castrate it because "those who know better than others" complained along with demonizing NOE for being detrimental to the survival of our game. Now NOE is only for retarded weanie noob cowards who dare to up NOE missions. They got what They whined for. And the same unintended consequences we always get that are worse than what was whined to get rid of.

Nobody misses the tards who milkran isolated and undefended bases to boost their score. The only consequence of ending that was a better gameplay. /thread.

[Tank-Ace]

Ran an Ar 234 NOE across land yesterday. It was sketchy as hell, and I almost lost my bomber several times, but it's possible if you plan your route, and go around hills instead of over then.

[EskimoJoe]

Nobody misses the tards who milkran isolated and undefended bases to boost their score. The only consequence of ending that was a better gameplay. /thread.

K.

 

[Tinkles]

You guys know that there is a documentary on why there are no more NOE raids, right?

It is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE17BAfekuQ

Omg that was friggin hilarious.  So true though.. so true.

Tinkles

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[Fulcrum]

Omg that was friggin hilarious.  So true though.. so true.

Tinkles

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"They'll club our goons like newborn baby seals!  Especially that bloody bastard Grizz."

"Everyone log into the forum.  I'm going to make a whine thread and I need your support."

 

[Gman]

What you need to bring back first is a reason to defend.

Maybe.  I don't know, I don't even think about the strat game, and honestly I have no clue how any of it works.  I just fly to fight a2a, and that's what I like, maybe somebody who knows more and cares more will have a better suggestion regarding strat/game etc.  My point is that when you could easily take a deep base with an NOE raid, something that is very VERY hard now, it instantly started great air to air furballs once that base was quickly taken - players would spawn from the surrounding bases just to fly towards the action, and as I said, I remember the best, and longest furballs that I've taken part in since 1999 occurred just after a deep base was taken, and AT that base, or the airspace surrounding it.

Good times.

[Ardy123]

gameplay fashions come and go... Miss NOE's, then do one... simple as that.

[bustr]

What you need to bring back first is a reason to defend. If no one defends you can go and take as many bases as you want deep in enemy territory. The opposition is only working to capture bases faster than you can. They have very little interest in "fighting" for a base.

Sadly today what we do much of is endlessly defend. With the old radar minimums at least everyone was out attacking something. And we had a lot more newbies with something to do and look forward to during the long 2 or 3 years it takes to get close to being one of this game's 20%. Most of this forum community are members of the LWMA 20% and suffer from arguing for game changes that reflect their eventual boredom. Which ends up making the game that much harder and oppressive against newbies wanting to stick around.

The old NOE minimums used to act as an equalizer for the newbies who could run off somewhere and accomplish something on their own building up some confidence and experience in the game. Otherwise we have a game that hates newbies and a bunch of old bored vets willing to make them never want to play the game again just to get that one last kill to feed their MA ADHD addiction.

We treat newbies the same as we treat all problems like them in the real world. We don't really want to be bothered by them and their stumbling. We tell them to join the institutions in place to babysit newbies to get them out of our hair. Otherwise we slaughter them and treat them like dirt. The vTards were the pinnacle of a group of newbies doing their own thing and having a reasonable success at it after Dogfite organized them into their own little self protection hoard.

That was one group of newbies happy to stick around in the game for a few years. And for them at least, their strategy worked up to the point of the community renaming them the "vTards" for it and whining in this forum "ad nauseam" about hoards and NOE and undefended bases. But, they generated action if you learned how to read the map when they were logged in. Then there is that old veteran players whine that they don't want to spend their time reading the map. They just want everyone to feed themselves to them by showing themselves on dar. Our now endless cycle of aimless field defense. Because if everyone can see you, what's the point of trying to take anything?

[caldera]

Our now endless cycle of aimless field defense. Because if everyone can see you, what's the point of trying to take anything?

The point of radar is to facilitate combat, which is the main object of the game.  Base taking is a stage set for combat, not the purpose of the game.  Who wants to spend all day looking for a fight that may or may not materialize?  Furthermore, sneaking around is avoiding combat.  Noobs won't learn how to fight if the only enemy they face are auto-acks.

[Ardy123]

NOEs added an aspect of unpredictability to the game. That being said, when the numbers were thin, NOE missions were utilized as a means of conflict avoidance. As pointed out before, that is not in the interest of the 'noobs' improving nor in the interest in the game as overall, as the game is predicated on conflict.

[Babalonian]

Nobody misses the tards who milkran isolated and undefended bases to boost their score. The only consequence of ending that was a better gameplay. /thread.

That was ended?

Weren't you here last month for that Fester fiasco?

[bustr]

The 20% will always argue for their personal interests over that of the 80% they want to feed on. By advocating for them to pay some idiotic notion of retroactive dues owed to themselves for perceived past indignities during their own newbie horror story.

There is no reason for this game to kill it's future for the bored egos of it's 20%.

[Tank-Ace]

Bustr, we understand you have issues with flying NOE; keeping your plane up, if you will. But don't project your own... inadequacies... on to other players. Most of them have the stamina and skill to go for hours!!

But Bustr... it's not your fault man. It's not your fault. Just because you can't keep it up of the ground doesn't make you any less of a man. And the wonderful thing is that you don't HAVE to just live with it! Oh sure, you won't be able to keep up with the younger guys, but then nobody of your vintage can.

Part of your problems might be due to high manifold pressure. It increases your speed, making it harder for you to keep it up. Stress can also affect your performance. If you stop worrying about the 20% that can and probably will hand your arse to you, it will help.


But Bustr, the most important thing is that you know nobody sees you as any less of a man, just because of your... problems.

[bustr]

Tank-Ace you have done better in the past than use satire to project your fear of inadequacy while performing in front of children.

The game swings back and forth over time into stagnating states, occasionally with Hitech poking his finger into the mess and stirring it up. Now it's big static furballs in the air and camps on the ground, with the strats adjusted and beckoning seductively to the bomber 20%. We humm along in stalled fronts doing nothing, with semi hourly trickles of bombers to the strats, and once in awhile giant bomber missions somewhere that seem mostly to be tune ups for a squad's next FSO.

Lacking from that to inject uncertainty into the game for the 20% are the NOE. Because effectively now NOE is not a tactic for the unskilled 80% as they once were to just take off and start doing something "fun". So now the 80% has to suffer the 20% with very few outlets to entertain themselves without it costing them constant arse whuppins and personal inspections of the new curtains in the towers ad nauseam. Whine loud and long enough in this game and you get what you think is the next great AH utopia with all of it's unintended consequences.

When things are good for the 20% they don't think about the future. Just the next easy arse to whup because the game forces the 80% to feed themselves to the 20% who don't have to do anything but sit still and wait for the next meal. When the old NOE standards were in place, the 80% made the 20% who didn't join them in the NOE have to actually hunt for their dinner. Back then the big maps and their funnels at fronts made sense forcing the hoards to move in predictable routes to counter their size and invisibility under dar. Today sans the more generous NOE minumums, we just stall out along those funnels and have giant aimless furballs because we don't have to guess where attacks are coming from. Trinity painfully demonstrated this.

Many of the 20% in this forum will always defend the ability in game to perform feats that a 20% should be able to as normal for all levels below them. And naturally projecting that the 80% are just whiners and sour grapes because they stink at those easy for them skills. Rather than consider the game from the 80% perspective and the long term. That would be equal to a programmer for this game saying anyone can program games because that programmer happens to have that skillset fully matured at this moment and is his normative reality.

A common theme that comes out of self assessment studies of skill sets, is the subject is unaware of how complex the skillset is because once learned and proficient. They assume it is as simple for others as themselves. You cannot force the 80% to live in the TA for up to three years. NOE visa the old radar minimums gave the 80% a shallow end of the pool to get started in before swimming with the lazy sharks.

[Babalonian]

You asked for a litteral slapping tank ace, you got one.