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[hblair]

Originally posted by SWulfe:
...which means perhaps ditching the perk point system or somewhat modifying it so say a P51B would cost 3 points while a SpitV would be free...

I'm with you on this too.

Was the P38L in the ETO at this time? Maybe we oughta have it in there.

Also, was just thinking, how about having british and American fields. Only british planes available at their fields, only Americans at others, would make it interesting anyway. The fields are so close together it wouldn't hurt anything IMHO.

[AKSWulfe]

I'm not sure on the P38L, I left it out simply because we do not have a P38J and I believe that particular model would be more "at home" with the aircraft I listed.

I just don't like hap-hazardly putting together a plane set because it tends to be a recipe for disparity and sometimes a certain side has percieved advantages/disadvantages (real or not) and well it just invites a lot of bad things.  
-SW

[funkedup]

Let's run 6 weeks on Europe.  Maybe not 6 consecutive weeks.  

If I had to pick just one, make it Number 1.
 
1.  Kanalkampf I:  Day of the Würger
Allies:
Spit V
Spit IX (perk)
B-26
Axis:
Me 109F-4
Me 109G-2
Fw 190A-5
Ju 88

2.  Kanalkampf II:  The Empire Strikes Back
Allies:
Spit V
Spit IX
Typhoon (Perk)
B-26
Axis:
Me 109F-4
Me 109G-2
Fw 190A-5
Ju 88

3.  8th AF Arrives
Allies:
Spit IX
P-47D-11
B-26
B-17
Axis:
Me 109F-4
Me 109G-2
Me 109G-6
Fw 190A-5
Ju 88

4.  Overlord
Allies:
Spit IX
Typhoon
Lancaster
P-38L
P-47D-11
P-47D-25
P-51B
P-51D
B-26
B-17
Axis:
Me 109G-2
Me 109G-6
Me 109G-10
Fw 190A-5
Fw 190A-8
Fw 190F-8
Ju 88


5.  Invasion of Germany
Allies:
Spit IX
Typhoon
Tempest (Perk)
Lancaster
P-38L
P-47D-11
P-47D-25
P-47D-30
P-51B
P-51D
B-26
B-17
Axis:
Me 109G-2
Me 109G-6
Me 109G-10
Fw 190A-5
Fw 190A-8
Fw 190F-8
Fw 190D-9 (Perk)
Ju 88
Ar 234 (Perk)

6.  Final Days of the Reich
Allies
Spit IX
Typhoon
Tempest (Perk)
Lancaster
P-38L
P-47D-11
P-47D-25
P-47D-30
P-51B
P-51D
B-26
B-17
Axis:
Me 109G-6
Me 109G-10
Fw 190A-5
Fw 190A-8
Fw 190F-8
Fw 190D-9
Ta 152 (Perk)
Ju 88
Ar 234 (Perk)

[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]

[Zigrat]

i like swulfes list but i would replace the p-51b with the p-38l

yes the p38l is late war but it is not as formidable as the p51b

i dont want the g10 in, the g10 is super late war, but if you have the p51b then you need the g10. so id rather not have the g10, not have the 51b, and add the 38l

imo

[Buzzbait]

S!

It is not possible to model a historical `42 European arena.  Just not enough planes.

You`d get:

MC202
Spit V
Hurri IIC
Me109F4
Me109G2
Ju88A

The Spit IX and FW190A5 would be ?, because they were not in service generally.  There is also an argument for a Lancaster, since the Halifax was introduced in `42.  The Fleet air arm had Seafires on trial in `42, but the active Squadrons were Fulmars and Sea Hurricanes.

In `43 you`d get:

MC202
MC205
Spit V
Spit IX
Seafire IIC
Lancaster
B-26
P-47D11
P-51B  (introduced in first week December `43)
Me109F4
Me109G2
Me109G6
FW190A5
FW190F
Ju88A

? `43 aircraft would be:

Typhoon:  (the AH one is actually `44 model but they were close.  Only major difference was top speed at SL which was approx. 10mph faster in 1B)
B-17:  (actually this one is `44 model, B17F did not have chin turret)

P-38L:  `44 plane, but the P-38J and H were available in `43 and had similar (?) performance.

F6F:  `43 plane, but not in service with Fleet Air Arm.

109G10:  Not in service till May `44, but the 109G6 with either the DB605AM or DB605ASM were fairly close in performance.

190A8:  The 190A7 was very close to the A8 and was available in small numbers in late `43.

`44 Aircraft would be:

All the planeset except:

Japanese planes
C-Hog
TA-152

`45 Aircraft

All the aircraft except:

C-Hog
Japanese aircraft

It is really only possible to model `44 accurately with the existing plane set.  It is heavily oriented to late war aircraft.

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A comment on the Germans insisting there should be no 4 engined Allied bombers:

There were British 4 engined bombers from `42 onwards.  The Halifax carried a bigger bombload than the Lancaster although it was slower and didn`t hold up as well.  The British also had B-24`s and B-17`s in `42.  They flew in the desert and over France.

[Buzzbait]

S!

By the way, P-51D wasn`t in service till July `44, after D-Day.

[funkedup]

March '44, 55th FG  

[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]

[Buzzbait]

S! Funked Up

You learn something new every day...  

Was the entire Squadron equipped, or was it just a few aircraft?

[funkedup]

I don't know too many details, just that they were the first fighter group in the 8th AF to receive them.  There are a lot of photos of various 8th AF units with mixed formations of P-51B/C and P-51D/K.  So I think that the whole group was not at first uniformly equipped with the bubble-top 'Stangs.

In any case I meant that Overlord setup to represent a fairly large slice of time, Spring-Summer-Fall 1944, so I'm not worried about exact dates.

And sorry to all for cluttering up this thread.  

<S>

[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]

[SKurj]

NO perks!!

Permit the more "rare" planes of the time period but from limited bases, behind the front lines.  So if you really want to fly that 51B for example you had better be prepared for a long ride to the front.  Of course if you know what you are doing you can just refuel at forward fields anyways.

Just a damn good idea..

SKurj

[Buzzbait]

S!

Actually I`d say go for Funked Up`s scenarios.

But he missed a couple planes:

Day of the Wurger:

Add the Hurri IIC

Empire Strikes Back:

Hurri IIC again

8th AAF Arrives:

Spit V should be there still.  Many RAF Squads were still equipped.

Overlord:

Add the F6F and TBM, but only allowed on a British task force.

Invasion of Germany:  (Trouble with this one is there isn`t enough Map)

Add the above, plus of course the Me262

[minus]

if some  1 can revork  the french coast  to have omaha beach for exaple  many ack  but try to alow only human  shoting < mean no OTTO >   or not all or very long rebuild time coastal guns and a whole bunh of LVT

but then where is the infatery ?  

[Mark Luper]

Originally posted by hblair:
(please leave the d11 out)

Don't really understand why you want the D-11 out. It is earlier than the D-25. Why not leave the D-25 out?

[Zigrat]

d-11 has porked fm currently

[Toad]

Ah, the 55th FG. Became the 55th SRW in later years. I served in both the 38th and 343rd squadrons.

This page says they flew the P-51 D from 19 Jul. 1944. Doesn't delineate if all or just one squadron.
 http://www.usaaf.com/8thaf/fighter/55fg.HTM

<EDIT> However, Joe Baugher agrees with March:

"The P-51D began to arrive in Europe in quantity in March of 1944. The 55th Fighter Group was the first to get the P-51D, trading in its P-38s for the new bubble-topped fighters."

I'd be much more interested in SW's list. I personally would prefer the CT to be as different from the MA as possible.

I flew the current map a few times but simply found it too boring. Ranges involved, types of aircraft available, CV factor primarily.

I'll take another look with the map switch though.

[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: Toad ]