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Sept. FSO:To Win the Winter Sky
« on: August 28, 2013, 08:04:16 AM »
is up on ahevents. my apologies to everyone for getting it up there late. take a look, and i'll be opening registration later today.

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Re: Sept. FSO:To Win the Winter Sky
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2013, 07:45:04 PM »
G3-MF is updated!!!

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Re: Sept. FSO:To Win the Winter Sky
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2013, 06:59:10 PM »
68th Lightning Lancers updated  :cheers:  :salute
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Re: Sept. FSO:To Win the Winter Sky
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2013, 07:19:05 PM »
is up on ahevents.

In case you guys don't know how to get there...

Follow this link  :D
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Re: Sept. FSO:To Win the Winter Sky
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2013, 07:31:02 PM »
In case you guys don't know how to get there...

Follow this link  :D

 thank ya sir....i shoulda had that in the op......
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Re: Sept. FSO:To Win the Winter Sky
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2013, 07:33:46 PM »
ALCON:

 the map for this FSO will be rhinewin. you most likely will need to download it before flying fso, or when you log in, it'll download.

 you can also build a custom arena, and choose the rhinewin terrain, which will download it to your pc. or you can go here.....

http://www.hitechcreations.com/World-War-Two-Games/Terrains/Aces-High-Terrains.html

 you will find it near the bottom.

 there is alsp a game u[pdate as i just discovered
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Re: Sept. FSO:To Win the Winter Sky
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2013, 07:53:55 PM »
there is alsp a game u[pdate as i just discovered

Does the update re-map your keyboard keys?  :neener:
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Re: Sept. FSO:To Win the Winter Sky
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2013, 08:24:13 PM »
Does the update re-map your keyboard keys?  :neener:

uumm....i sure hope not.........
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Re: Sept. FSO:To Win the Winter Sky
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2013, 11:20:37 PM »
uumm....i sure hope not.........

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Re: Sept. FSO:To Win the Winter Sky
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2013, 11:32:47 AM »
Looking at the details on this one:

http://ahevents.org/fso-current-next-event.html

It seems rather lopsided.

You limit the K-4s and the 190Ds... But, why?

190Ds were very common in late 1944. They were replacing 190As rapidly on all fronts. Over 1000 were built and in well over 500 were in service starting back in mid-1944, not long after the P-51D entered service. It's not like they can fly over 30K, and it's not like they pose a threat to any plane in the lineup except maybe the P-47 (experience shows the higher alt and faster P-51s eat it alive and the P-38 does so too). Then you limit the K4. K-4s have the high-alt power that no other Luftwaffe plane in the game has, save the buggy flight modeled Ta152 (which wasn't available in this gime frame anyways). BUT other planes DID have this performance in WW2. The K-4 stands in for the late-model 109G-6s -- which are not to be confused with our low-alt G-14. Our G-14 is nice and all, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't have the high-alt power that this setup needs. In WW2 the Bf109s were getting high alt power in a number of different variants, not the least of which was a late-model G-6 which is much more like our in-game K-4 than it is like our G-14. They used this high-alt power to engage bombers and escort fighters.

It is nice to see the 410 there, but it will be dogmeat with all those late-war US rides hoarding the skies. The 410 depends on pockets of undefended bombers, or windows to slip in before escorts are there. The 262 will be useless (IMO) since allied planes will simply camp its landing spots and vulch it (which I've seen happen in past FSOs), since it MUST land at only a few fields.

The current setup boils down to mostly G-14s and 190A-8s. I know the G-14 is capable, and I enjoy flying it.... but it really does suffer at altitude especially when fighting the alt war that Aces High runs every time the 8th AF scenario rears its ugly head. Luftwaffe really need some help on this setup, as its currently written.

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Re: Sept. FSO:To Win the Winter Sky
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2013, 03:10:28 PM »
"Fw 190 Aces of the Western Front" (Weal) states that the second Gruppe to receive the Fw 190D-9 was II/JG26 and they did so in December 1944. The first Gruppe to get them was III/JG54 and they flew them into combat in October 1944 protecting Me 262s bases after receiving the new plane on strength some time in September. So I don't see how we get 500 in action in mid 1944. In fact it would appear that JG54 is it in November 1944. 3-4 Staffels max.

"Bf 109F/G/K Aces of the Western Front" (Weal) states October 1944 for the Bf 109K-4. My understanding is that the Bf 109G-10 was received at this time as well. I get the comments re the stand-in for other Bf 109G types and I don't disagree. The exact #s mix is a design call.

There were plenty of Fw 190A-8s and Bf 109G-14s in service at the time (Nov 44) btw.  

...That said the OOB also has the Allies flying P-47s and P-38s. Not just P-51Ds of which there were many. Which is of course entirely correct and fair. No air force always just had the latest planes and in FSO we almost always have a mix based on the timeline.  

Just for interest after reading your reply I went and looked at the OOB for the Der Grosse Schlag Scenario. Looks like a mix there as well with a lot (about 1/2 the LW squads) of Bf 109G-14s and Fw 190A-8s as well in a setup for Dec 44 (one month diff). I don't see the OOB being too far off the mark. CAP may tweak it yet thats for him to decide.  :salute
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Re: Sept. FSO:To Win the Winter Sky
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2013, 06:10:09 PM »
Looks like some CMs have done their homework. :aok

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Re: Sept. FSO:To Win the Winter Sky
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2013, 10:47:51 PM »
The first mention of the D9 for JG-301 is December 2 1944.


Focke Wulf Jagdflugzeug Fw 190 A Fw 190 "Dora" Ta 152 H (Peter Rodeike)

Mentions the 190-d9 began production in August of 1944.
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Re: Sept. FSO:To Win the Winter Sky
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2013, 10:52:22 PM »
Well, according to Squadron's In Action info, prototypes were tested throughout the first half of 1944 until deliveries started in early Summer 1944. I've seen Summer 1944 thrown around as well on Internet sources before. I have read Weal's work but didn't go back to check dates. He wasn't overly methodical about different units and deployment dates. More about the pilots than the planes for him, so I didn't consider it. If that is right, then my apologies.


Just as clarification, I didn't mean to imply 500 were on hand in that Summer. Poor wording on my part. I meant overall well over 500 (700 can be accounted for, out of the 1500 ordered) simply to show that they weren't sitting unused like many of the luftwaffe jets were.

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Re: Sept. FSO:To Win the Winter Sky
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2013, 11:14:32 PM »
Although allies do need a victory its been a while.
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