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[MiloMorai]

Luftwaffe Order of Battle 9 April 1945

Serviceable Aircraft Strengths

Single-engined fighters   1305
Night fighters   485
Ground-attack aircraft   712
Night harassment aircraft   215
Multi-engined bombers   37
Long-range reconaissance aircraft   143
Short-range and army cooperation aircraft   309
Coastal aircraft   45
Transport aircraft   10
Misc. aircraft (KG 200)   70
Total   3331

So the RAF Disarmament Teams alone 'neutralised' 4,810, yet there was total of 3331 serviceable Luftwaffe a/c one month before wars end.

[J.A.W.]

3,000+ is.. wait for it.. THOUSANDS.. Do you know how many others were awaiting delivery?

The Allies experienced nearly a thousand LW fighters actively straffing their airbases on 1-1-45,

& intruders were attacking bases in Britain later in `45 too..

Plus LW bombers were launching V1 cruise missiles against British cities..

As posted earlier, the realities of war that would've utterly crushed most other AFs,
were dealt with pretty bloody well by the LW - considering all the pressures..

[MiloMorai]

3,000+ is.. wait for it.. THOUSANDS.. Do you know how many others were awaiting delivery?

Do you?

[J.A.W.]

You could check & cite the actual-real-deal USSBS, maybe?

Anyhow, there were plenty, as P. Clostermann  - who was there at the time - commented..

( see post#224 on the 'Best Single Engine F-B [Prop-driven] thread  - for what he wrote on it..)

[WWhiskey]

You could check & cite the actual-real-deal USSBS, maybe?

Anyhow, there were plenty, as P. Clostermann  - who was there at the time - commented..

( see post#224 on the 'Best Single Engine F-B [Prop-driven] thread  - for what he wrote on it..)

plenty,, or thousands. Isn't normally excepted here to readily,,,,  most here like for the one telling it to back it up with the info,, I.E. Links and such ,, most also don't like being told to go " LOOK IT UP"".  Just an FYI    So why don't you copy and paste or at least supply the links to the info you've sited,, otherwise just state, to my knowledge , but I don't have a clue where I found that, or how to get back there,,  it doesn't mean your wrong or right, it just explaines your position a great deal better.
I'd like to know more about much of this info you have as well, but reading your posts for the last few hours, it seems like your just going around telling everyone how they don't know what they're talking about and you're the authority on all matters planes and such,, it comes off a little hard to believe that out of the blue, someone could posses such great amounts of knowledge, yet still talk about PLENTY, or many thousands, instead of actual numbers,,, just my opinion tho

[MiloMorai]

You could check & cite the actual-real-deal USSBS, maybe?

Lots of blah blah blah but when it comes down to details to support your blah blah blah you have nothing.

In other words, you can't, as you are just jawing again.

[J.A.W.]

What is with all the 'negative waves' & '3rd degree' interrogative guff?

Do I sense.. some kind.. of.. hostility here?

Well, - there is a term for that.. "Cognitive Dissonance"

Simply put it - comes down to..

.. Don't like the message.. blame the messenger..

Cite a post where I wrote "... they don't know what they're talking about.."

Or where I claim to be the "authority".. as for plenty/thousands, well obviously..
what was plenty to the Allies was undreamed of riches.. resources-wise for the hard-pressed LW..

Compare the efficacy of the LW with the Allies in similar circumstances, & they did pretty well
with what they had, combat-wise..

& is it really so hard to do an inter-web fact check? Or find a #224 post as cited?

Put together a post that proves me wrong.. on basis of the facts.. & I'll gladly stand corrected..
 
& m.m. posted an excerpt from the USSBS,but cant be bothered to reference the real thing..

There it is.. that's how I roll.. ..just as Jack Black put it..

Now.. drop the ad-hominem crap - why don't you..

[Ack-Ack]

Really? AFAIR, the Soviets specifically demanded Merlin Mustangs & were denied them..

None to spare.. & Curtiss Le May would've had a bloody fit - if Stalin gottem before him..

I don't recall reading anything about the Soviets wanting Merlin engined Mustangs.  They had some P-51B/C and P-51Ds that were recovered from Operation Frantic and were repaired and put into service with rear air units.  Soviets didn't like the Mustang because it didn't suit their needs, like the Thunderbolt didn't suit their needs.

ack-ack

[J.A.W.]

Well A-A, maybe do some more reading on Lend-Lease..& get back to us with kosher details..

AFAIR - 'bout the only USAAF P-bird Stalin didn't want.. was the.. P-38..

& given the supply/demand issue for the P-51, a sour grapes Soviet response would be S.O.P..

He hung on to the B-29s in his hands like Scrooge too..

[MiloMorai]

Well A-A, maybe do some more reading on Lend-Lease..& get back to us with kosher details..

More blah blah blah

How about you supply the details as it is your claim the Soviets wanted Mustangs.

[Brooke]

Or P-47 A2A combat  - in RAF service against the forces of Nippon?

http://www.amazon.com/RAF-Mustang-Thunderbolt-Aces-Aircraft/dp/1846039797/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386959172&sr=8-1&keywords=osprey+p-47+raf

"RAF Mustang and Thunderbolt Aces," by Thomas.  For the P-47, focus is on the CBI theater.  You can get the kindle edition for $10.

[Ack-Ack]

AFAIR - 'bout the only USAAF P-bird Stalin didn't want.. was the.. P-38..

The Soviets didn't want the Mustang or the Thunderbolt either, so?

ack-ack

[J.A.W.]

Stalin got several dozen T-bolts ( ~200) & plenty of Bell-birds, P-40s & etc..

A handful of purloined Mustangs & Superforts ( He flat refused to hand them back)..

Mustangs were pretty sought after planes..

Apart from the USAAF & the Brits, who else got them (officially) in wartime?

They were popular post-war too..

RAAF & RNZAF replaced their Spitfires & Corsairs (respectively) with `51s too..

There were instances of Mustangs engaging VVS fighters in 'mistaken ' combat,
& AFAIK, the pony jocks had them Ruskies on toast..

Brooke, thanks for posting that Osprey title..

[MiloMorai]

There were instances of Mustangs engaging VVS fighters in 'mistaken ' combat,
& AFAIK, the pony jocks had them Ruskies on toast..

Sure they did.

 Ivan Khozedub's got two P-51s to his personal kill tally, which he got when a flight of US P-51s misidentified his radial-engined Lavochkin and attacked the Soviet planes thinking they were FW-190s.

[Karnak]

Sure they did.

 Ivan Khozedub's got two P-51s to his personal kill tally, which he got when a flight of US P-51s misidentified his radial-engined Lavochkin and attacked the Soviet planes thinking they were FW-190s.

An ace's results are not a very good test case.  Aces tend to handily beat normal pilots even when the normal pilot is in something like a P-51, F4U or Tempest and the ace is in something like a Ki-43 or A6M.