A-20 perk them

[RotBaron]

The A-20 Havoc, yes that favorite friend of yours that rarely seems to take enough damage to go down no matter how hard you hit it. He's always there after you've caused the town to flash for 30seconds to 2 minutes, he carries enough in the right hands to land six of your pretty tanks, and his rearm pad is always just a moment away.

Impervious to Wirbles as a skilled driver will drop their bombs at 2k and when harassed by ftrs, well their guns seem to be enough to get them the 15 seconds they need to get to their ack, if not 5 seconds.


262 is perked because it's superior in the game it plays: speed.
Tempest perked for same reason, and rockets for base vulchers.
163 perked because of its ability to get to a fight in a few minutes and has enough ammo for a novice to get a couple kills, if they don't wreck it first.
Arado, speed I guess, right?
Tiger II perked because it is superior at its game.
Tiger I & Glass Joe Panther, well 2nd and 3rd most superior at their game.
B29 perked - amount of ord and speed - I assume.

The plane most superior at killing gvs, not perked. Why is that?  
What else are bomber perks spent on anyways.

[RotBaron]

sorry Skuzzy thought i clicked on wishlist

please move it if it needs

[Widewing]

The A-20 is no better than many aircraft at killing GVs. The Tu-2S carries three times the bomb load, and has the same F3 views. The A-20 is a tactical bomber. It was used to great effect in North Africa, Sicily and Italy bombing German armor and providing close support. In the ETO it was employed more as a medium bomber. In the SWPA, it was again used as a tactical bomber.

It was a very versatile aircraft, considering it was a pre-war design. Slower than most fighters (339 mph), poor rate of roll, leisurely acceleration. Tends to lose control surfaces above 400 mph. Rather low g limits. Front cockpit armor not even modeled in the game (no bullet-proof glass or forward armor plate). It's missing the ventral gun position. It's no great shakes. Sure, it turns well for its size. It should, being no heavier than a loaded P-47N with much more wing area. It presents a big target for Wirbles and Ostwinds. Few drop bombs from 2k, with any hope to kill. The biggest bombs are just 500 pounders. Gotta be very accurate with those, unlike the 2,200 lb bombs on the Tu-2S. I typically drop from 600 yards.

There's no need to perk the A-20. None whatsoever.

Here's why you're whining...

You were running tanks and got your   by an A-20.  

You upped a Wirble and guess what?   again....    

You grab a Dora from the nearest field and head over to give it to those perk worthy Havocs. You arrive at 15,000 feet and dive in after the first A-20 you see. Except, you're diving at 500 mph and the A-20 easily evades your feeble attack. Naturally, you zoom back up into the heavens. Meanwhile, the A-20 zips over to the airfield, to get a little cover from the ack.  

You're really unhappy now. How dare that pesky A-20 use the base ack to prevent you from booming and zooming them to you heart's content! Now, you have to risk getting pinged by the ack to get a shot at the Havoc. Worse, he baits you, by flying a short distance from the field, to suck you in, only to deliberately drag you into the ack. PING! there goes your radiator....  

Thoroughly peed off now, you dive into the ack, determined to kill that A-20, no matter what. Nothing to lose now, right? Except, some guy in a manned ack or Wirble blows your Dora out of the sky, or worse yet, the ack does get ya and the A-20 gets the proxy kill.......  

Meanwhile, the Wirble/ack guy and/or A-20 driver are  

So, you pollute the text buffer with your outrage   and come here to demand the A-20 be perked...

There's a bright side for you... Had it been my A-20, I would not have used the ack. I would have met your attack and I'd have

[RotBaron]

Nope you are quite wrong, and haven't had very many A-20s bomb me lately. There was a situation where A-20's were keeping a good gv fight from happening, players from both sides wished they stay out, they of course would not.  

Show me where I whined.

I made a, say it with me, ex-trap-pol-ation, extrapolation, an extrapolation from what seems as a foundation to the perk system being based off of performance.

Didn't know you joined the donkey's club on here of harassing and gangtarding everything people say because you feel it is a whine.

Do you gv in this game? I have never seen you in a gv, so how do you have such a great understanding?

Where the eF do you get off? "I pollute the text buffer" with outrage, show me once anywhere where I have done that.

I don't fly the Dora, look at my stats before you open your huge pie hole full of non-sense. Oh wait that's your MO these days forgot.

Congrats you have become full tool tard, there's a good reason Bob Newhart said assume, ass-out-of-urself.


Taking ftrs to task in F3 mode, ooooooh that's tough, tuff guy.

[RotBaron]

lol says the A-20 guy, don't make me have to pay any perks to bomb**** players, I like being a total donkey, ruining what other ppl think is fun and making them wish were in a different game.

Players like you have driven a few I can count to another game.  

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/scores/players.php    1/3 of your kills panzers lol

Oh look he's actually got one sortie in a T34 and two in a Tiger II, wow. 

[artik]

A-20 are quite easy to kill - they can't operate without full friendlies air superiority. Similarly to IL-2, Ju-87 and others.

They are effective against GVs but that's it - almost any fighter can down them easily. When I see it around, there are a few  things I need to care:

1. Not to hit the ground
2. Not to collide it
3. Not to forget that somebody else would try to catch me catching easy kill.

[cobia38]

 Yes,add quad 20 mm and perk them please !!!!
  Who the hell carrys bombs in them anyways,that is what lancs are for. 

[Mongoose]

The plane most superior at killing gvs, not perked. Why is that?  
What else are bomber perks spent on anyways.

  It's not the plane.  It's because many of the pilots who fly it have learned to get the most out of the plane.

[Rich46yo]

The A20 is a far better GV killer then the TU. Its far more maneuverable, rolls far better, response is much crisper, climbs about as good and is faster. Also its far better at killing other fighters. You cant really load the 1,000KG bombs on the TU for GVs cause they make the bomber climb and handle like a bath tub with wings. The best load out is the 500 KG load and I think thats 2 internal and 2 external.

Either way the TU handles like crap compared to the A-20. Using the bigger bombs you have to release higher as well or the back blast will kill you in a TU.

Neither should be perked. As soon as their perked tank gets bombed they come running in here. But I'd much rather use an A20 for GV killing, "I use neither however and prefer IL2 cannon".

[Lusche]

You cant really load the 1,000KG bombs on the TU for GVs

 2x1000kg & 2x500kg is my favourite loadout for that role. Did such a bomb**** sortie just again last night and did not notice that you "can't really do it". A quick climb to altitude, one sector travel and then: Aquisition, identification and diving attacks. Four tanks dead.

The 1000kg bomb is actually the Tu's greatest asset in this role, greatly reducing the need for any "precision".

[Widewing]

Nope you are quite wrong, and haven't had very many A-20s bomb me lately. There was a situation where A-20's were keeping a good gv fight from happening, players from both sides wished they stay out, they of course would not.  

Show me where I whined.

I made a, say it with me, ex-trap-pol-ation, extrapolation, an extrapolation from what seems as a foundation to the perk system being based off of performance.

Didn't know you joined the donkey's club on here of harassing and gangtarding everything people say because you feel it is a whine.

Do you gv in this game? I have never seen you in a gv, so how do you have such a great understanding?

Where the eF do you get off? "I pollute the text buffer" with outrage, show me once anywhere where I have done that.

I don't fly the Dora, look at my stats before you open your huge pie hole full of non-sense. Oh wait that's your MO these days forgot.

Congrats you have become full tool tard, there's a good reason Bob Newhart said assume, ass-out-of-urself.


Taking ftrs to task in F3 mode, ooooooh that's tough, tuff guy.

My goodness, you swallowed the reel too!

That said, you were whining... It's a common whine from the "GV'rs". Whining got the icon range cut from 6k to 1k, because the poor abused tankers were getting popped by aircraft (funny how running troops can be seen at 6k, isn't it?). We can't know that the enemy tankers are just looking for a fight. Moreover, if they don't find a fight, they always seem content to shoot up the town or base. Even hide and shoot aircraft that spawn. So, if I see a base flashing, I investigate. Not aircraft involved, I look for a tank or tanks. If I ignored the tank or tanks, do you think they'd just tower? Slim chance. Here's my philosophy.... You roll a tank to my base and I'm gonna kill it. If friendly tankers ask that I not kill the red tanks, I will gladly comply. I have chatted with guys whose tanks I killed. When told that they are just looking for a fight, I leave them to their fun. "Have at it, I'll bow out" as long as I see friendly tanks rolling out. If an enemy aircraft kills the VH, I'll roll another A-20 or fighter/bomber. I never go near tank town. That's just griefing.

Perhaps you don't fly the Dora often, but you do fly it some. I know first hand.

There was a pretty big fight a few weeks ago. I was flying a Ki-61, and had just finished off a Spit16. As I looked up, I saw a 190 boring in straight off my nose. I bunted over to avoid the HO.... Unsuccessfully. That was you. I remembered that, and picked the Dora for the fictitious story.

Do I run tanks? Sometimes. Not often. Mostly Wirbles. I find the GV game rather boring... I prefer to fly. Been doing that here since 2001. Pretty good at it too. There's quite a few folks that began plying with the beta (1999). You won't see "Widewing", since I changed my handle a couple of years ago.

In fairness to you, I should not have written, "here's why you're whining". I should have written, "here's why most whine". I suppose that made it personal to you... For that, I apologize.

Now, some have stated that any fighter can beat the A-20... Not true. Any late war fighter can, if the pilot is good enough. Most early war fighters will be in trouble, because the A-20 is faster down low, and can match or catch ANY Co-E fighter in a straight zoom climb. I've run down 109K-4s in a straight zoom climb. Those who fly the A-20 as a fighter know what it's capable of, and it's plenty capable for what is. I win far more 1v1 fights against fighters than I lose. That probably goes to the quality of the average player as much as anything. Nonetheless, run across Cobia or me and you will have your hands full, regardless of what you're flying.

All of that said, the A-20 doesn't need perking. It needs some respect, perhaps. If we get the four Hispano cannon option (about 200 built and all went to Russia), then it'll need a light perk. Maybe... Why maybe? It wouldn't be any more deadly than the Mosquito, would it?



Yes, A-20 drivers often use F3, because the A-20 is blind to the rear from the cockpit. Like any bomber, it's hard to sneak up on it from behind.

[Randy1]

Yes, A-20 drivers often use F3, because the A-20 is blind to the rear from the cockpit. Like any bomber, it's hard to sneak up on it from behind.

All F3 views should be removed from the game. 

[Widewing]

All F3 views should be removed from the game. 

Ah... No. If you don't understand why.....

[PJ_Godzilla]

I think WW is in full "haaaaaaw, haaaaaw" mode, there, Rot. Probably best to quit now....

[Randy1]

Ah... No. If you don't understand why.....

F3 is overkill you might say but lets not hijack this thread.