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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #60 on: May 26, 2014, 04:48:51 PM »
For me I'm torn,while I love the Kats and their beauty,also the manner is which they are used if it came down to it I think I would choose a rapier and dagger!


  2 blades for 2 distances,you have the option to slice or stab and the best part the 2 blades work together as 1 to block and pare and in close the dagger is often not even seen!

  A nice Toledo steel rapier is a match for any Kat,well almost any Kat!


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Rapiers can deliver harassing cuts, but that's it. They are NOT cutting swords. At all. Also, the rapier doesn't have enough blade mass to push through the katana, while the katana (and longsword, for that matter) can easily force through the rapier.

The rapier has one purpose: street brawls and duels against unarmored opponents.
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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #61 on: May 26, 2014, 06:44:15 PM »
Rapiers can deliver harassing cuts, but that's it. They are NOT cutting swords. At all. Also, the rapier doesn't have enough blade mass to push through the katana, while the katana (and longsword, for that matter) can easily force through the rapier.

The rapier has one purpose: street brawls and duels against unarmored opponents.

  I understand how the rapier works,just because I prefer it over a longsword or the like doesnt mean a darn thing.  You may be correct against an armoured combatant,however I wasnt looking at it that context.

  If I chose a cutlass or saber would you have been happier?   I know it wouldnt fit my style so I would be next to useless with it,the rapier not so much!   I have a couple epees I used to practice with and I've had some experience with Katanas.

  I wasnt comparing or considering which is best as thats a matter of opinion and well we all know what opinions are like..... :rolleyes:



    I'd rather be on horse back with a lance if thats the case!



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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #62 on: May 26, 2014, 07:49:18 PM »
"Combat or Battle ready" swords is just another category or type of sword.  Go to any sword site, and you'll see several categories of swords on offer, usually blunt/theater, sparring/blunt, and combat/battle ready/sharp, although you can often purchase combat/battle ready swords without edges on them. The type of steel, manufacturing process, the quality of the materials, all of it varied depending on the category the sword falls into.  So, talking about "combat/battle ready swords", or even owning one, hasn't got much to do with actual "sword combat".  It's pretty unlikely that anyone would actually see any real world combat nowadays with a sword in the first place.  The odd guy has been caught on camera carrying tomahawk edged weapons in Afghanistan, which often got a snicker or two, but for SAR guys that may need to cut people out of wreckage or what have you, it could have a place there, but for others - the only thing that would make me laugh harder would be a sword.  

I friend up here in Canada spun himself a pretty decent business making swords.  http://darksword-armory.com/  .  Since the Game of Thrones TV show started, he can barely keep stuff in stock.

Myself, I've only really purchased Japanese swords, I started with a Japanese WW2 NCO's sword I inherited that came back from the war, and have bought a few since, a Japanese 1800's era sword and wakisashi set, which was well under 10$k for both when I bought it 15 years ago, and now worth much, much more.  For kenjutsu and Iaido which I took up after training in Kendo at our local judo and kendo club as a kid, buying good cutters is easy, a high quality sword can be found for under 1000$ from various companies, www.roninkatana.com being probably the best $ for the buck.  

Does anyone make Japanese swords for online MMO's such as they typical popular ones on Steam, like Skyrim, or Obl or ESO?

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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #63 on: May 26, 2014, 07:52:10 PM »
the only thing that would make me laugh harder would be a sword.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill

Still want to laugh  ;)
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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #64 on: May 27, 2014, 12:49:17 AM »
That was in the Second World War,  I've read that long ago, my Pipe Major, James McWilliams, had written about him, and mentioned him in one of his books about the war, I can't remember if it was "Suicide Battalion" or another one now.  As a piper in a military pipe band, J. Churchill was something of a legend for us younger guys, yet there wasn't many if any cases of him actually USING his sword in combat.  Besides, I was referring to warfare of our generation, not from WW2, where officers swords/daggers/etc were somewhat more common, even with battle dress, and there were even cavalry charges in the second world war, with pikes/lances/swords and all.  He did kill enemy troops with arrows, but a bow/arrow at ranges under 100 meters even today is still a capable enough first shot weapon so long as surprise is on your side.  If not...

The Japanese used swords often enough in WW2 I suppose, not just Katana swords either, but typical western officer's sabers, as well as long bayonets that were sometimes detached from their rifles.  Warfare during most of WW2 due to the smaller magazines and prevalence of bolt action rifles in many theaters especially in the early years made a sword something that COULD be used in many situations in an infantry action.  Particularly how the Japanese fought, with lots of bayonet Banzai charges - here a sword could have some use by NCO's and officers, once the charge made contact or overwhelmed the enemy troops.   However today, with much larger ammunition magazines, and more ammunition being carried by most soldiers, not to mention many carrying a pistol, emergency reloads or transition to secondary firearms is a far, far more effective tactic than drawing a giant razor blade, or bayonet charges for that matter.  

If I saw somebody carrying a sword today, complete with their rifle, handgun, plate carrier, gear/vest, and such - yes, I would still laugh.  And so would you.
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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #65 on: May 27, 2014, 07:43:36 AM »
A full sword is of limited value in modern warfare, but a good knife/machete is an invaluable tool as well as a last resort CQ weapon. I never left my Sami-knife behind when I was in the military.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKZEQO_UM00&feature=player_detailpage#t=377

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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #66 on: May 27, 2014, 12:52:27 PM »
A full sword is of limited value in modern warfare, but a good knife/machete is an invaluable tool as well as a last resort CQ weapon. I never left my Sami-knife behind when I was in the military.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKZEQO_UM00&feature=player_detailpage#t=377

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modern knife blades.....

cant go wrong with a Ghurka  :aok

 who here can tell me what kind of sword this is....without google.....

I made this in blender......oh wait I must be lieing right..... :rolleyes:
I modeled it from a real world sword.... ;)
This is one I would like to own....my ancestors would have carried it. :rock



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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #67 on: May 27, 2014, 04:04:58 PM »
Irish hilt form, I believe.

Speaking of models, here's one I did combining features of my aluminum waster (basic blade geometry) and practice steel (hilt):

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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #68 on: May 27, 2014, 05:44:35 PM »
would that pommel give enough balance?
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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #69 on: May 27, 2014, 06:09:17 PM »
It does on the real one, so yep. Remember that the tang is going to provide a good bit of counterweight as well. Both my steel and aluminum balance 3" out from the guard.
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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #70 on: May 27, 2014, 08:13:06 PM »
modern knife blades.....

cant go wrong with a Ghurka  :aok

 who here can tell me what kind of sword this is....without google.....

I made this in blender......oh wait I must be lieing right..... :rolleyes:
I modeled it from a real world sword.... ;)
This is one I would like to own....my ancestors would have carried it. :rock




Celtic crusader sword? Ink, you're just too predicable... ;)
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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #71 on: May 27, 2014, 08:19:16 PM »
Celtic crusader sword? Ink, you're just too predicable... ;)

 :rofl :P


it is actually a Irish ring Sword....could be named a bit different :headscratch: :D

Irish hilt form, I believe.

Speaking of models, here's one I did combining features of my aluminum waster (basic blade geometry) and practice steel (hilt):

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nice work man :aok

what program you using to model?

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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #72 on: May 27, 2014, 09:36:46 PM »
The mesh was made in Blender, while the render was done with Unity.
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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #73 on: May 28, 2014, 06:50:28 PM »
The mesh was made in Blender, while the render was done with Unity.

nice

same set up I use.

love how Unity reads the blend file.

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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #74 on: May 30, 2014, 04:23:57 PM »
Rapiers. Katana. Broadswords.

Bah. Pahtooie!

I submit the gladius hispaniensis, the standard sidearm of the Roman Legions for nearly 500 years. The sword that conquered the known world! 19 to 24 inches of nasty pointy death. Many a long sword wielding barbarian found his downward swing blocked on a legionaries shield (scutum), and then painfully found 2+ inches of Spanish steel shoved into his guts.

Nothing fancy. Just nasty pointy death.

'nuff said!
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