A way to discourage Bomb'N'bail/Suicide jabos.

[BnZs]

You wrote : 15 delay for someone bailing with ords still on board.
So this does not apply to bomb and bailers. They would  not get a delay at all.

Ah. Good catch my pedantic Teutonic friend.

I meant a sortie in which ords were taken. Me culpa.

[BnZs]

So my proposal should read "If a player bails, ditches, dies, or discos on a sortie in which they selected ord, they will be disabled from re-upping with ord for 15 minutes."

[BnZs]

edit: and before you correct yourself, this about this situation.  your base is under gv attack you up with ords and an unseen werbie nails you before you realease.  now you cant bomb gv's for 15 min. 

another situation.  you up bombers and hit a tree at the end of the runway  cause your cat jumped on the keyboard.  now you are stuck watching your squadies fly away as you wait for 15 min for bombs.

#3-You up a 262 costing hundreds of perkies. Your wife's cat jumps on the keyboard. You sell the cat to a Chinese restaurant.
HTC can't guarantee that one will always have a good sortie...they MIGHT be able to do something about the "no one fighting in a combat game anymore problem" though.                                                         

[Karnak]

So my proposal should read "If a player bails, ditches, dies, or discos on a sortie in which they selected ord, they will be disabled from re-upping with ord for 15 minutes."

This would certainly encourage the use of only P-51s and Typhoons for attack sorties, who would then run like heck after dropping their ordnance.

[BnZs]

This would certainly encourage the use of only P-51s and Typhoons for attack sorties, who would then run like heck after dropping their ordnance.

This is a more realistic mission profile than flying it into the hangar, yes? Come now man, I've heard you outline certain problematic aspects of suicidal jabo'ing yourself.

EDIT: It might also encourage them to skin their ords and run like heck whenever it looked like an interceptor might catch them, instead of diving at high speed on their target to drop and ignoring the fact they are subjecting themselves to being caught. A problem currently in MA is that while bombers and jabos can have a great effect on the strategic aspects of the war, catching and killing them AFTER they have dropped has no such effect, in fact strategically shooting them down currently just allows them to re-up on another mission faster.

[Karnak]

This is a more realistic mission profile than flying it into the hangar, yes? Come now man, I've heard you outline certain problematic aspects of suicidal jabo'ing yourself.

The problem is that your change doesn't just target the kamikazes.  It targets anybody who used to bomb and then fight.  It actively punishes them for dying after carrying bombs.  My concern isn't the kamikazes, it is the guys who used to fight and would be pushed to being runners.

[Randy1]

The problem is not as large as some believe me thinks.  From Vox evidence I have only heard someone say, "I will bail and go get troops."  I have never heard vox traffic describing a bomb'n'bail/suicide run.

From heavy fighter stand point, I contend a large number of those suicide dive bombs are either lost plane control or getting blown up by your own bombs.  I have heard vox traffic describing lost control and getting blown up by their own bombs.

On 38s and 47s you have so much ords you can do a lot of damage with more than one pass.

I have had one fighter and couple of bombers bail when I caught up with them a good ways from the base they were attacking.  I would not describe that as a bomb and bail run just sour apples.

[Xavier]

Yet another BnZ thread focusing on nerfing bombers. I'm beginning to see a pattern here...

Let's say that this rule is implemented. Now the guy who makes suicide run doesn't bail because he'll get a 15 min penalty, he simply keeps diving and crashes, so in the end it's the same.

[PJ_Godzilla]

Ah. Good catch my pedantic Teutonic friend.

I meant a sortie in which ords were taken. Me culpa.

I would stop short of pedantic. His display of knowledge is never ostentatious.

[Oldman731]

In general, does everybody get that the numbers are way down and that changing nothing carries a high probability of nothing changing?

Probably most people sense this.  The concern is that kicking out people who like to bomb and bail, or who think they're helping their country to win the war by bombing fighter hangers, may not improve the overall numbers.

- oldman

[guncrasher]

#3-You up a 262 costing hundreds of perkies. Your wife's cat jumps on the keyboard. You sell the cat to a Chinese restaurant.
HTC can't guarantee that one will always have a good sortie...they MIGHT be able to do something about the "no one fighting in a combat game anymore problem" though.                                                         

no one really fights in this game.   We just pretend.

semp

[Cthulhu]

Probably most people sense this.  The concern is that kicking out people who like to bomb and bail, or who think they're helping their country to win the war by bombing fighter hangers, may not improve the overall numbers.

- oldman

I suspect the VERY players who are most likely to bomb'n'bail are the very same demographic who are most enticed by flashy, less accurate sims. As much as I hate the way these dweebs "fight", I certainly don't want to drive them to another game. I need their $15.

[Coalcat1]

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[Drane]

Bomb n Bail / Suicide jabos have been going on in here since the beginning. It was common in Air Warrior before that.

Try to look at it as cheap entertainment.

It would be a bummer to box players in so much they wouldn't want to play.

Then you'd have even fewer players to battle.

[Coalcat1]

How about this, sit on the runway in a storch and watch all the bish 38s miss their targets and auger