Allied test of German MK108 Mine-Geschoss HE/T round: Must see

[Mister Fork]

That first vid with the B-17 showed fuel fires…the hits were in the #1 and #4 fuel tanks.

The B-24 vid was probably a hit to the turbocharger on the #2 engine.

Very difficult to get an engine hit on either of those aircraft from dead 6 like that.

108 MG is deadly...

Brutal videos really...
First video - tail gunner was definitely killed. Possible deaths in the mid section and upper turret on the B-17.
Second video - tail gunner killed and left side gunner.

Seems we sometimes forget that while these video's are interesting from a weapons effectiveness, there were very young American boys in our bombers trying to defend their aircraft when the Luftwaffe aircraft suck on their six and killed a bunch of them. All of them had mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, and some had wives and children.  Not wanting to be a sour sally, but we need to be mindful of what they actually show.

[PR3D4TOR]

Nor should we forget what they were trying to do and why they were being intercepted and killed. War is hell.

[icepac]

I landed six 30mms on the nose of a ki84 head on collided and he flew off seemingly undamaged.

[Zerstorer]

I landed six 30mms on the nose of a ki84 head on collided and he flew off seemingly undamaged.

Proof the Japanese used Adamantium spars and plating in the design.   

[Chalenge]

They hit really hard in real life.  Here is what happens to a engine

http://youtu.be/rDOAb_E8EtU

http://youtu.be/4sFpis5A_7k

Neither one of these videos shows any MK108 30 mm hits. The first is a FW-190 with air-to-air rockets. The second is a 110 with 20mm.

[PR3D4TOR]

No rockets.

[Chalenge]

At 0:13-0:14 you can see the airburst.

[Someguy63]

At 0:13-0:14 you can see the airburst.

I don't understand why it didn't just have a huge fragment of the wing blown off or the whole thing just blow up.

I did notice what looked like an air burst but I dunno.

[Chalenge]

Cameras in those days were not very good especially in combat conditions. The fact remains that there just isn't any known publicly available film of the MK108 cannon (as used in combat) in existence. The real giveaway in the second video is the audio. Even if the German cameras had that capability it would not have been the same quality as that video on YouTube.

[PR3D4TOR]

At 0:13-0:14 you can see the airburst.

German 20 mm and 30 mm aircraft armament used ammunition with self destruct fuses.

[PR3D4TOR]

The real giveaway in the second video is the audio. Even if the German cameras had that capability it would not have been the same quality as that video on YouTube.

The audio is obviously added in post. No WWII gun camera records audio. However I fail to see what the audio has to do with the authenticity of the video.

Those are both clips from a training film used by Luftwaffe aerial gunnery schools. Here's the whole reel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuxpnx4Tic

[Chalenge]

Do some research. When I was working audio for my sound pack I tried to find sources of the original equipment for just about everything. The MK108 30mm audio or gun cameras of any sort from WWII in combat do not exist in any accessible form. You can check with anyone you want (Smithsonian, Dayton, etc.). If it exists at all it will be in cold storage in Russia, or in a private collection. At this point it would be priceless, so I wish you luck.

[PR3D4TOR]

What are you on about? Luftwaffe gun cameras did not record audio. Nor did the Allies' gun cameras for that matter. If you find any WWII gun camera footage with audio then the audio has been added to the video in post. That has no bearing on the authenticity of the video. No more so than if music was added.

You're writhing as if you know what you're writing about, but you don't. There are no rocket attacks in those videos, only cannon/MG. The puffs you see are the shells that missed being detonated by the self destruct fuse.

[Chalenge]

It's what I am writing that you are refusing to accept. There are no gun camera footages of a MK108 30mm used in combat. If you find one on YouTube that states that it is then it is a fake.

[PR3D4TOR]

Because you, the God of the intardnetz, didn't find it? LOL! Could you be more full of yourself. None of the segments specify the armament of the attacking airplane, but several of those 190A-8's in the Luftwaffe training film are probably armed with the MK 108. Same with the 110G-2's.