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Re: Only in Finland...
« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2015, 07:35:06 AM »
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Re: Only in Finland...
« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2015, 01:18:52 PM »
Some people really have no grasp of history whether pro, or con, to their opinions.

I agree then again I don't :old:
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Re: Only in Finland...
« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2015, 01:38:18 PM »
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Re: Only in Finland...
« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2015, 04:39:10 PM »
how dare you!

Were  you at war with the UK then?

No, the Finns were not, however, England was at war with Finland, having declared war against Finland in 1941.  England was the only western Allied country to declare war on Finland.  England also attacked Finland, launching the failed raid on Petsamo.
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Re: Only in Finland...
« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2015, 04:46:16 PM »
Some say a Finnish night fighter pilot under training in Germany was shot down by Mosquito, though I can't find which Mossie it might have been.
... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

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Re: Only in Finland...
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2015, 05:20:05 PM »
Its says something that the Soviets didn't even try to occupy Finland, not even Stalin wanted to take them on. To be fair to the Finns they took the German side because the Soviets had attacked them first. At the end of the war they changed sides and got rid of the Germans.

I had a Finnish girlfriend once. She was great but I know why Hitler and Stalin really didn't want to make enemies of them. We're still friends. I wouldn't dare it be otherwise.

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Re: Only in Finland...
« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2015, 05:54:25 PM »
Of course Russia tried to take Finland, during winter war atleast. If the only goal was to adjust the border near Leningrad, Why attack in central and Northern Finland?

What u have to remember is that Finland was a part of Russia until 1917 and the only part were the "white" side won the Revolution/civil war. Stalin wanted to reestablish the pre 1917 Russian borders. They tried to take Finland and failed. Then Russia said "We dont want it anyway"....
U can start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_of_the_Winter_War#Soviet.E2.80.93Finnish_relations

But why even discuss this in a non serious thread joking about Finnish police using Tanks in traffic stops? This tread has nothing to do with WW2 Finland.
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Re: Only in Finland...
« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2015, 12:30:12 AM »
Some say a Finnish night fighter pilot under training Germany was shot down by Mosquito, though I can't find which Mossie it might have been.

On 17th of August 1944 Sergeant Bengt Raoul Ringbom failed to return from training flight from an airfield near Ludwigslust around 3:30 am. Soon after his take off, several allied planes passed over the field (field is 100km east of Hamburg). Several hits were observed in the wreckage which were most likely caused by 20mm ammunition. Night fighters most likely surprised Ringbom considering that he wasn't aware of the allied planes being in the area.

No one saw the incident in German side but at that point of the war, I think it's most likely that it was a Mosquito.
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Re: Only in Finland...
« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2015, 01:38:22 AM »
It was not me :old:

Bizman has invited me to Finland but MrRipley might be loud and try to lock me away :)
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Re: Only in Finland...
« Reply #39 on: April 29, 2015, 02:02:32 AM »
On 17th of August 1944 Sergeant Bengt Raoul Ringbom failed to return from training flight from an airfield near Ludwigslust around 3:30 am. Soon after his take off, several allied planes passed over the field (field is 100km east of Hamburg). Several hits were observed in the wreckage which were most likely caused by 20mm ammunition. Night fighters most likely surprised Ringbom considering that he wasn't aware of the allied planes being in the area.

No one saw the incident in German side but at that point of the war, I think it's most likely that it was a Mosquito.

That's the fellow, yes. Strangely, I can find a claim for the right day, right place, but in 1943.

I've downloaded the combat report, it clearly says 1943, and the Mossie pilot in question was making other claims around that time, but I can only find one claim for him in 1944, a V-1 in September. IIRC the website I got the info from put Ringborn's fate in the context of the wider war, as in the Finns went home soon after, so, I dunno, it's strange.

Thinking about it now, I have the relevant squadron ORB for August 1943, possibly also for 1944, will see if the incident is mentioned there as well. Will also check the relative times - combat report says 2:05 a.m., if that was one of the dates in which German time was one hour ahead (the Brits were often on double daylight savings time, therefore clocks in the U.K. matched those in Germany for much of the war) it could be an even deeper mystery...
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Re: Only in Finland...
« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2015, 02:31:06 AM »
"Bizman has invited me to Finland but MrRipley might be loud and try to lock me away"

Ripley does not go to meetings so it is safe to visit us. We might still dip you in a frozen lake, just chiz and giggles.  :D

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Re: Only in Finland...
« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2015, 05:41:39 AM »
FWIW, Ringbom's grave marker (photo on the net) says 1944, so that must be definitive.
... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

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Re: Only in Finland...
« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2015, 11:20:15 AM »
"Bizman has invited me to Finland but MrRipley might be loud and try to lock me away"

Ripley does not go to meetings so it is safe to visit us. We might still dip you in a frozen lake, just chiz and giggles.  :D

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Re: Only in Finland...
« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2015, 11:36:36 AM »
FWIW, Ringbom's grave marker (photo on the net) says 1944, so that must be definitive.

Ohh, 1944 is definately definitive! :) That's been crystal clear for me for a long time because the Finnish "night fighter program", if one can call it that, is very well documented.

Theoretically there's the possibility of friendly AAA shooting him down but I think they would have figured that to be the case very quickly at the scene. Therefore I don't think that is a real possibility.
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Re: Only in Finland...
« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2015, 12:00:47 PM »
"Will my clothes fall off? Will i be drunk?"

Pfffft, what clothes? We don't wear clothes in meetings except when there's photography so people won't think we are all weird. And the real question is when will you be sober again, if ever...

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