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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2015, 01:05:03 PM »
Has anyone questioned Woody Allen, he is a wrong un and looks the sort to destabilise the finacial system.

No one is supposed to know about Woody Allen yet.   :noid

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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2015, 02:27:40 PM »
Because it is a double reverse false flag operation.

You would know these things if you had paid any attention during your senior year in high school.  :rock

logic gates?
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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2015, 07:00:24 PM »
This market correction has been a long time coming.

People like Gary Kaltbaum have been saying tread carefully for years. He's also been saying companies with zero sales, like many biotechs, will be the hardest hit.

This may get worse than the normal ~10% correction because it has been such a long time coming.

If you are a long-term investor this should be no more than a blip on the screen however.

All the above only applies, if this is an actual correction; only time will tell if it is. 
They're casting their bait over there, see?

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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2015, 07:11:05 PM »
logic gates?

Zack Sir:

You often remind me of a Charles Bukowski quote:

 “I had noticed that both in the very poor and very rich extremes of society the mad were often allowed to mingle freely.”

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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2015, 12:18:33 AM »
Cheers :banana:
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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2015, 02:08:43 AM »
So its not collapsed?

Funny that?

When is it time for a North Korean pitch fork  incident
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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2015, 02:42:23 AM »
So its not collapsed?

Funny that?

When is it time for a North Korean pitch fork  incident

Don't jinx it!

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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2015, 06:00:50 PM »
So its not collapsed?

Funny that?

When is it time for a North Korean pitch fork  incident

Damn perma bulls or congressional insider trading and somebody hit the buy button. Grrrr, the US really needs a reset so ppl realize how bad the economy really is; funny how the stock market is a barometer to some, ehhh DC ppl, when it fits their agenda and when it doesn't it has nothing to do with the economy.  :rolleyes:
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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2015, 10:37:56 AM »
 Before this market meltdown, august 9th;
 
 "China Slashes U.S. Debt Stake by $180 Billion, Bonds Shrug " http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-09/china-slashes-u-s-debt-stake-by-180-billion-and-bonds-shrug

 
« Last Edit: August 30, 2015, 10:45:22 AM by ghi »

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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2015, 05:58:31 PM »
Toxic, psychotic, self-aggrandizing drama queens simply aren't worth me spending my time on.

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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2015, 06:24:09 PM »
logic gates?

  No,no,no Zack that's Bill's gates!

   Yes safe banks,not in the US in Canada!  We didnt need to bail them out,they made record profits instead and we have strict rules that dont allow a bank to give a mortgage to a person who cant afford it.

  But I would like to sit down and have serious talk some day Zack,I think much as you do and carry no debt,even tho I only pay prime plus 1/2 on my cards,which is about 2%.

  No mortgage,no car payments and I plan to keep it that way.


  My wife was a banker until she retired.......


    :salute

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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2015, 09:07:04 PM »
I've been reading this guys stuff a lot:
http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc150831.htm

And this stuff just scares me:
http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/NYSE-Margin-Debt-and-the-SPX.php

Bunker up!

Wab

Those are a couple of good articles in my opinion, too, Wab.

A few other nice graphs.









Looks totally normal to me.  :aok

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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2015, 10:03:25 PM »
A few other nice graphs.
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That last graph is CAPE I assume?

More fun facts...

Corporate profits are running about 11% of GDP right now, but historically they have always returned to the average of 5.5%.  You could claim that "this time is different" and that technology has made us more profitable but that would also have increased GDP proportionally.  That ratio to GDP is a pretty consistent measure across time. 

It will fluctuate but generally increase above the average in one time period are matched to lower than average  performance later.  For instance, if you were a CEO who wanted to maximize your short term compensation, you might try a manipulate near term profits by shedding trained workforce, forgoing capital and R&D investments,etc.  You might can leverage the profits higher for a while, but those tactics will reap lower earnings later.  But Heck, by then you may have already retired to one of your 6 houses in the Hamptons.  :t 

If those profits start reverting to their historical mean, the current valuations will start to look insane.  Maybe insane by half.

Oh more fun.  Most of us wouldn't borrow money the invest in the stock market.  I know there are sophisticated investors out there that do, but I suspect most of them are snorting coke.

However many corporations are borrowing cheap money now to buy back their own stock to inflate the values.  I'm not talking about buying back your stock with money you've earned.  I'm talking about taking on debt to manipulate stock values.  And these purchases are price insensitive so that only serves to further inflate current prices.  And when there rest of us by that stock, we are buying the debt.

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The larger problem with repurchases is that debt-financed buybacks effectively put investors on margin. As corporations have borrowed in order to aggressively buy back their stock near the highest market valuations in history, existing stockholders have quietly become heavily leveraged, without even realizing it.
http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc150817.htm

Be careful out there.

Wab




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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2015, 10:52:45 PM »
Hi Wabbit,
 nice to see you again ! :cheers: still shooting the night sky?

The premarket futures are in red again ;
http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/stocks/futures


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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2015, 03:05:05 AM »
  No,no,no Zack that's Bill's gates!

   Yes safe banks,not in the US in Canada!  We didnt need to bail them out,they made record profits instead and we have strict rules that dont allow a bank to give a mortgage to a person who cant afford it.

  But I would like to sit down and have serious talk some day Zack,I think much as you do and carry no debt,even tho I only pay prime plus 1/2 on my cards,which is about 2%.

  No mortgage,no car payments and I plan to keep it that way.


  My wife was a banker until she retired.......


    :salute

I had a bad credit rating because i had no debt :rofl

They will have sore eyes looking for my money :rofl

Its the North Koreans or Irainians fault that everyone got into debt!

i worked in the archive for RBS, you cannot fix stupid :old:

Its also Cubas  fault.
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