How or Why we will reverse global warming

[zack1234]

Japan is stuffed regardless of Enviromental issues.

China is the new manufacturing power in Asia.

Japan as well as Germany have been play acting economically since 1945.

In these two countries they pay 5 people to do the job of one.

Why do you think the US is sailing warships around man made islands near China, so the Japanese carry on paying their debts.

In 20 years time you will be paying a Emissions tax, it will be paid to oil companies to offset oil production.

The only way to reduce emissions to to reduce people's consumption, this can be arranged quite easily by reducing wages and employment 

[Brooke]

The enactment of a pie tax will push Zack into becoming the leader of our rebel alliance.

[SysError]

Much of the main stream media is helping to keep information counter to GW out of the public conversation.

http://blog.heartland.org/2014/01/the-endless-fruitless-search-for-climate-refugees/

I do not know if you are aware, but you are relying on an organization, that outside of a circle of extreme diehards, that has no credibility what so ever with anyone.   

Here is part of what I posted about them a short while ago:


If you want to make a living denying that climate change is happening, then the Heartland Institute is your sort of place.  They do other stuff, I am just focusing on one issue.

In fact they very proudly boast of their image as:
The Heartland Institute is "the world’s most prominent think tank promoting skepticism about man-made climate change.”
— The Economist, May 26, 2012

https://www.heartland.org/

Here is someone from their leadership circle, Jay Lehr, educating us on the Fukushima incident:

“I can tell you with the utmost confidence there will not be a health impact of anything that is going on at the Fukushima power plant.”

http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2011/03/14/are-fears-catastrophic-nuclear-meltdown-in-japan-warranted/

They are against things like tobacco laws, and well, you name it and if you can fund them, there is a good chance that they will be in your corner.

See here:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heartland_Institute

On Global Warming, they have their usual set of explanations and accusations that has people like me having a good laugh from time to time.  They got your standard conspiracy theories about how agencies such as NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration are suppressing “true” climate data and trove of other beauties.  (Thinking about it, I am wondering what they think has happened over at the Pentagon and the CIA?)

But I have to tell you, the Heartland Institute gets my Crazy Climate Denial Explanation Award  of perhaps all time.

In reacting to the Pope’s encyclical on climate change, the Heartland Institute suggested that the Pope is now under Pagan influences!  That’s right, the Pope could be a Pagan.

I am not making this up!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=behch3XrH1E

I guess that from now on, the seminal construction of the greatest metaphysical question of all time, “Is the Pope catholic?” should be replaced by asking “Is the Pope a Pagan?”

[PJ_Godzilla]

1. Zack is a kind of idiot savant. He's an idiot UNLESS you can translate from Northern English.
2. He's nailed Japan. Take a look at their public debt levels, their population growth rates, and their capital deficit.
3. He's unlikely to join the Rebel Alliance unless we can somehow find a way to cut off his lucrative revenue stream from "the oligarchy". You see, he's got a going concern selling them wooden pies. Apparently, there's some scheme that involves herding people into a sort of dinette area, one without proper ventilation and some kind of port in the ceiling. Prior to entry, each is handed a wooden pie.

4. The post that follows Zak is a simple ad hominem and addresses the legitimacy - or lack thereof - or Heartland's arguments... not at all.

[NatCigg]

"Further, his use of inflammatory and irresponsible language regarding global warming, and his admission that the long term goal of his advocacy of vouchers is to dismantle the “socialist” public education system further undermine his credibility with this Court"

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heartland_Institute

  i might like this guy! sounds like...me. but i have a college degree. 

 

hey the kochs fund public telivison like NOVA 

 

[SysError]

Further, co2 ppm counts are actually nowhere near as high as they've been... In the Carboniferous period, concentrations were as high as 8000 ppm. . http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html      .

Again, if co2 feedback forcing were the primary driver, we'd already be wearing asbestos underwear.

If I remember correctly, claims of CO2 levels up to 8,000 ppm were originally made about the Ordovician period.  Years later the levels were revised downward to 1,000 – 2,000 ppm. 

(Your link is not working).

But whatever the level, with CO2 levels that high, the temperature of the earth should have been very high.  Instead there were times when the earth came close to turning into a block of ice.

The reason is straight forward; the earth was a very different place 400+ million year ago.

A while ago, late one night, I typed up the following, a bit in jest as reply to the same essential comment as yours.  In re-reading my post, I think that I was close enough on the issues to not need to issue much a correction.  So here is most of the post again:


Off the top of my head (plus review of vid below), and an almost complete bottle of wine, … here’s what I can say.

Yes 400 million years ago C02 levels were high (1,000 – 2,000 ppm).  As I said, even at these levels the earth almost turned into a block of ICE.  If you think about it, though, the earth was a LOT DIFFERENT back then.

But let’s just move on. 

I’ll tell you what, take care of these issues for me and I’ll be OK with most of what you have to say about not worrying about high C02 levels.

1) Please cool down the effect of the sun for us.  I guess you can hose it down or perhaps push out the earth’s orbit a bit.  (I might have an HP 41cv to help you out to figure out how far the orbit will have to go.  BTW, you will have to supply the batteries)

2) Push the continents back together.  You know, reverse all of that tectonic stuff.

3) Once #2 is done, hammer all of the mountains down flat.  I know that this sounds tough but my thoughts are that if you pulled off #2 this shouldn’t be that hard.

4) You got to kill off a bunch of plants.  Unfortunately I don’t have a list right now.  But I might be able to work out a punch down list by the time you get to this task.

5) Kill off a lot of the animals.  (See #4 for issues with list)

6) TBD


I think that I already posted below before.  Real short.  Informative;


UQx DENIAL101x 4.2.4.1 Ancient CO2 levels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqkGoCglp_U


Update: 1,000 - 2,000 ppm levels were the revised lower end of CO2 levels in some models.

[SysError]

ad hominem

So let me ask you, if someone told you that the Pope was under Pagan influences, how should one evaluate the mental health of that person?  (And it is not just Lehr).

[NatCigg]

Could we not build a orbiting solar panel a great distance away to block the sun? Similar to a goalie moving away from the net, thus making him relatively larger in relation to a shot and the goal.   

[ghi]

Here comes the global cooling I was  driving through Toronto yesterday with AC on.



"Solar storm knocks out flight control systems in Sweden, grounds planes"
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/solar-storm-sweden-1.3304271
Our electronics are so sensitive , and this was nothing kp I ndex 5-6 http://www.solarham.net/planetk.htm
Extreme north and south latitudes take more radiation,  I understand one of the reason ISS orbits below 60 degree N/S to avoid exposure.

[zack1234]

I think think more stringent gun ownership legislation will off set emissions 

I have reported that PJ Proby bloke for using homosexulet words

Wooden pies are biodegradable unlike the Brewster which indestructible 

[WWhiskey]

MMGW data problem A

[PJ_Godzilla]

So let me ask you, if someone told you that the Pope was under Pagan influences, how should one evaluate the mental health of that person?  (And it is not just Lehr).

That's central to the point. You need not evaluate HIM at all. Ask him to support his contention and evaluate his argument. Anything less than that is contempt prior to investigation of a very particular category. Play the ball, not the man.

[PJ_Godzilla]

MMGW data problem A

Ah, yes, Whiskey... you've managed to urinate in the warmist's cornflakes. Why is it their "adjustments" always want to produce a trend upward to the right? I note that NOAA is attempting to paper over the pause in similar fashion.

[bustr]

The current rate at which the earth's orbit moves away from the sun is 15cm a year. As it moves away, what happens to average temperatures over time in periods of 500,000 years? 400,000 years ago during the interglacial the planet was 10 degrees hotter.

[morfiend]

I cant wait...

   When do the palm trees start to sprout in the arctic??

   We want to start selling water front property but at present it's covered in ice!   

   I'm planning an orange grove,maybe some lemons and I will never have to build another damn igloo!