Author Topic: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)  (Read 21185 times)

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #120 on: July 29, 2016, 08:21:48 PM »
Version 2 draft of the writeup (make what you see says "version 2" or refresh the page):

http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/201610_TunisiaFeb43/rules.html

Please take a look and post recommendations here.

The main changes.

-- Scoring is now segmented based on ROC's recommendation.
-- Targets are now segmented based on ROC's recommendation.
-- Plane numbers are rebalanced based on recommendations by Devil and others.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2016, 09:17:57 PM by Brooke »

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #121 on: July 29, 2016, 08:45:53 PM »
Brooke, link is still to version 1.
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #122 on: July 29, 2016, 08:54:40 PM »
Brooke, link is still to version 1.

Please do a refresh of your browser.  The file name is unchanged, and many browsers will cache the contents.

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #123 on: July 29, 2016, 09:01:48 PM »
Please do a refresh of your browser.  The file name is unchanged, and many browsers will cache the contents.

Got it.  :aok
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #124 on: July 29, 2016, 09:46:51 PM »
Hey Devil, you gonna lead a squad again? If so I'm in!!!! :devil :cheers: :salute :salute :salute
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #125 on: July 29, 2016, 09:47:04 PM »
A proposed adjustment to the USAAF Fighters

10   14th FG    P-38G
10     1st FG    P-38G
12    31st FG    8 Spitfire V, 4 Spitfire IX (The Vs are earlier performing Vs not the later upgraded Vc so the IXs which the 31st also had would balance it a bit)
12    33rd FG    P-40F
6      350th FG    P-39D   (Earl Miller's crew)

Our old AW buddy, the late Earl Miller in his P-39 "Eloise" over Tunisia.  His 39 is skinned in game too

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #126 on: July 29, 2016, 10:03:39 PM »
That is a good point Corky,  the Spit V we have in game was neutered if I recall.   

The write up has 22k downwind is that correct? 
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #127 on: July 30, 2016, 12:51:42 AM »
Looking good Brooke.  Would you be interested in shooting me the spreadsheet of the object per field, hardness, and available bombers for me to play around with?
I'm a bit concerned about the expected turnout and the available objectives.  But, I asked earlier of you pushed this out on a spreadsheet and you said yes, I'd rather not re-create it if possible, it took me two weeks to build the template for the last one and you seem to have done it already.  I'd prefer not spending my weekend duplicating what you already did.  I have a concern with the objectives, distance and timing of the segments.  I've got some ideas, but you probably have it addressed but I would like to see the counts and what you were thinking before I comment.
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #128 on: July 30, 2016, 12:59:52 AM »
Follow up post on my thoughts regarding the attack aircraft.

Brooke, I think you handled the attack aircraft perfectly in Dnieper. By giving attackers a higher point value per object ensured that they were a crucial aspect of the attack plans.

As for the aircraft themselves, as much as I'd love to see some dedicated P-40 attackers, each plane would get only one 500 lb bomb, which has very limited damage.

That said, the 190F can only carry 1540 lbs with all bombs and the A-20 can only take bombs in factors of 1000 lbs. It is possible to have the 190(A or F) take only the 500 Kg bomb and the A-20 the two 500 lb internal bombs. The 110C can also take 500Kg (2x 250Kg) bombs but is much slower than the A-20 - but the A-20 is much slower than the 190. I think your plan to have split 190/110 against all A-20's is best here.

I still think you're level bombers are way off. The B-17 has no place here as it can't be balanced against Ju 88's. (see my last post for more analysis on this issue)

Also, do you really think you can fill 2 bomber squad's per side? Seemed to me that filling one was a challenge during Dnieper.
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #129 on: July 30, 2016, 01:59:01 AM »

6      350th FG    P-39D   (Earl Miller's crew)

Our old AW buddy, the late Earl Miller in his P-39 "Eloise" over Tunisia.  His 39 is skinned in game too



Awesomeness!  :aok

I'm changing that one at least right now.  350th it is.

Thank you so much!  :aok

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #130 on: July 30, 2016, 02:10:08 AM »
Brooke, for what it's worth I think you meant 310th BG for the 25s.  301st had 17s
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #131 on: July 30, 2016, 02:43:53 AM »
Brooke, for what it's worth I think you meant 310th BG for the 25s.  301st had 17s

Quite correct -- thank you for spotting that.  :aok

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #132 on: July 30, 2016, 03:13:12 AM »
I still think you're level bombers are way off. The B-17 has no place here as it can't be balanced against Ju 88's. (see my last post for more analysis on this issue)

I did look at your earlier objection.  I'm not ignoring it, but I think the B-17's are appropriate and OK.  I want there to be B-25's, B-26's, and B-17's if at all possible because they were there.  Half of them are B-25's, 1/4 are B-26's, and 1/4 are B-17's -- so 4 B-17's is all (which isn't a huge number). 

I think it is balanced OK since B-25's take 3000 lbs, B-26's take 4000 lbs, and B-17's take 6000 lbs while the max loadout of the Ju 88 has 4400 lbs external (the 4x500 kg) and 2200 lbs internal (20x50 kg) for a total of 6600 lbs.  That makes it like a B-17 in total load, although because of the difference in locations and types of ord, it is not as effective as the 6x1000 of the B-17, but still better than a B-26, as you get a B-26 loadout on external then an extra internal load that at least can be used for some mischief (although not very well at a town because the explosion pattern is too diffuse to take out more than 1 building in my testing).  The Ju 88 is (at 12-15k) faster than the B-17, the same speed as the B-25, and only a little lower than the B-26.  In survivability, the Ju 88 is better than the B-25 (50% of US bomber set) and worse than the B-27 and B-17 (together 50% of US bomber set).  So, it is in all respects in the middle-ish range in things compared to the US set.

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Also, do you really think you can fill 2 bomber squad's per side? Seemed to me that filling one was a challenge during Dnieper.

I am anticipating a registration for this that is 2x the registration for Dnieper.  However, I have a question above on how to deal with player fluctuation during the event.  I'll bring that topic back up again soon to get more discussion on it.

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #133 on: July 30, 2016, 03:17:20 AM »
Looking good Brooke.  Would you be interested in shooting me the spreadsheet

Thanks, ROC.

My figuring so far has been with formulas on paper and not a spreadsheet.

I'll take a stab at putting it into spreadsheet form and, if it seems like it is intelligible, absolutely send you a copy.
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #134 on: July 30, 2016, 03:22:25 AM »
Man, I am so jazzed that Earl flew in Tunisia!  I extra love this terrain now!  :aok