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[Krusty]

The custom-job 109F prototypes... Weren't those Georring? (Note: I didn't say they saw much use... lol)

[Wmaker]

The custom-job 109F prototypes... Weren't those Georring? (Note: I didn't say they saw much use... lol)

*facepalm*

Oh the irony...

...you berate others for posting "drivel" and then in the following post you post the above gem.

Oh my.

[Wmaker]

You know nothing of Luftwaffe units to claim that they could choose their own weapons, props, etc. Utter drivel.

The custom-job 109F prototypes... Weren't those Georring? (Note: I didn't say they saw much use... lol)

This quotes together are simply pure gold.

Pure gold.

[Lusche]

 

[Squire]

Adolf Galland had a Bf 109F with a few mods if memory serves. I think he had a 20mm MG FF in each wing ala the Bf 109E.

[Devil 505]

Adolf Galland had a Bf 109F with a few mods if memory serves. I think he had a 20mm MG FF in each wing ala the Bf 109E.

That was one. Another was the test bed for the Mg131 cowl guns and Galland nearly shot off the propellers!

[PR3D4TOR]

Yeah I think this thread is done. lol

Only one guy's opinion matters and he has his own sources.

[EskimoJoe]

Yeah I think this thread is done. lol

Only one guy's opinion matters and he has his own sources.

You mean the kettle to your pot?

[PR3D4TOR]

Not unless HiTech is secretly a kettle. I doubt it.

[morfiend]

Wow all this talk about squad strength etc. is meanless in this case!

  The 37mm wasnt a series built plane it was a gondie pack that could be mounted on any 110G! Atleast 2 ZG's used them and it was used for both air to air and air to ground.

  It's no different from the 20mm gondie that is on the 110G now,well slightly larger....

 Arguing about this makes as much sense as arguing about having a cigar holder added to the 109F......just silly...

  It's simply an armament option like having either the 20mm or 30mm in the G14 or gondies on any 109G or even the option to carry a bomb!

  I was the one who suggested it,not predator,he was kind enough to supply some photos of proof and then the resident experts went about poopooing him. Thx for the pix Pred,if I was more techy I'd have supplied my own,I have some 60 or 70 gigs of imfo on WW2 aircraft that I have collected over the years.

  I can only hope HTC will consider these loadouts,the Mk101 on the 110C and the 37mm on the 110G might make players fly these great planes more often! And besides it's all about the guns!!!!



      

[mthrockmor]

Wasn't there a night fighter version that upward firing 30mms. This allowed them to fly underneath buffs, shooting up at 70 degrees or something. Correct me if I'm wrong.

If we had this version in game I think they would own buffs, which may create missions as buff drivers would beg for fighter escort. Dare to dream.

boo

[Denniss]

Most German NFs so equipped used 20mm guns, only the He 219 used 2x 30mm guns.

Attaching the BK 3.7 to the Bf 110G required considerable work so it was assigned an /R number denoting heavy modification required for usage. Bf 110G used /M and /B designations for quick-change bomb/tank equipment (Rüstsatz), afair the belly gunpod also had a M/B number but can't remember which one.

[PR3D4TOR]

A list of the rüstsätze and umrüst-bausätze:


Umrüst-Bausätze (factory conversions)

U1
The fitting of two MG 151/20 mm cannon in the lower nose. This was used to bring early production models up to the normal G-2 standard, and to convert G-3 reconnaissance aircraft back to the G-2 standard.

U5
Streamlined mounting for the FuG 202 and 212 AI radar sets that increased the angle they worked at but reduced the maximum range. It may have been used in combination with the FuG 220 radar.

U6
A combination of the U5 kit and the FuG 221 radar system.

U7
GM 1 nitrous oxide power boost. This could increase the power of the engines by 300 hp for up to 19 minutes, but required the removal of the rear firing machine gun. Also known as the R2 kit.

U8
An increased internal fuel tank with another 142.6 gallons (540 litres). It increased the range of the aircraft by 220 miles.

U9
The replacement of the nose mounted MG 17s with two 30 mm MK 108 cannon, with 135 rounds for the right cannon and 120 for the left.


Rüstsätze (field kits)

R1
The addition of a 3.7 cm Flak 18 cannon beneath the fuselage.

R2
Alternative name for the U7 kit.

R3
Alternative name for the U9 kit.

R4
A combination of the R2 and R3 kits.

R5
The R1 and R3 kits combined.

R6
A combination of the GM-1 powerboost and the R3/U9 kit, but with the MG 81Z rear gun retained.

R7
One 79 gallon/ 300 litre drop tank fitted below each wing. This became almost standard on the Bf 110G.

R8
The famous Schräge Musik (Jazz) kit. This consisted of two upward firing MG FF/M 20 mm cannon added to the rear of the observer’s cockpit.
 
R9
An upgraded version of R8, using two MK 108 30 mm cannon instead of the MG FF/M.

B1
A streamlined 20 gallon/ 75 litre drop tank for oil, normally used with B2.

B2
Either two 238 gallon/ 900 litre drop tanks or two 79 gallon / 300 litre drop tanks beneath the outer wing panels.

M1
Belly mounted twin MG 151/20 20 mm gun pack with 200 rounds per gun.

M2 
Two ETC 500/IXb bomb racks beneath the fuselage.

M3
Four ETC 50/VIIId bomb racks beneath each outer wing panel.

M4
Two SD 2/XII racks carrying 24 bomblets.

M5
Two 21 cm WGr 42 rockets under each wing.

[PR3D4TOR]

The M-series is done at the staffel-level (squadron). Same with the B1 and B2, as long as the R7 kit is fitted. The R-series was usually done at the geschwader-level (wing). The aircraft would have to visit the geschwader workshop at whatever base the geschwader command staff was located. The U-series required the aircraft to return to Germany to be converted at a factory.

[Serenity]

The M-series is done at the staffel-level (squadron). Same with the B1 and B2, as long as the R7 kit is fitted. The R-series was usually done at the geschwader-level (wing). The aircraft would have to visit the geschwader workshop at whatever base the geschwader command staff was located. The U-series required the aircraft to return to Germany to be converted at a factory.

That's a little tidbit I had never heard before. Thanks! That makes a lot of these make a lot more sense!