Airbus in hail storm

[Puma44]

No intent to hang anyone.  Offering some reality based observations. 

It's likely the Captain talking on the cellphone in the photo is trying to come up with some sort of credible explanation for damaging the aircraft.

[Zimme83]

3 damaged aircrafts. I doubt the pilot alone is to blame. Weather radars dont pick up dry participation like hail as good as rain so they could have missed it. Wasnt it a delta 320 last year that ended up with similar damage?

[TyFoo]

In the U.S. & Canada, weather radar can identify hail. You would think Turkey would have something of similar technology at an airport that handles that much traffic. Then again maybe not.

Hail is (ice) coated in water and reflects radar energy very well. Dry snow (dry precipitation?) not so much. Dual Polarization Doppler radar can even discriminate between hail and liquid precipitation and even estimate the size of hail.

[icepac]

I am completely confused as to why you seem to think that only ground personnel can safely help an airliner negotiate its way though severe weather. The NWS and the NOAA are only two of the invaluable resources that pilots and dispatchers rely upon to safely navigate around problems. But weather is so dynamic, the ultimate decision assure the safest track around thunderstorms has to be made by the pilots.

That being said, with the weather avoidance tools available aboard a modern airliner like the a320 and the fact it was a departure incident, I have to agree with Puma44. Delay departure.

Oh ... and to your question about airspace restrictions that currently exist in the Bosphorus, I am 8 years retired... so no.

You're attributing words to me that I did not express.

Please tell me where I said "only ground personnel can safely help an airliner negotiate its way though severe weather."

When I clearly stated "There is a line of communication from many sources that makes up the information you receive.".

The fact is that this airliner and two others were vectored into the path of the hail in istanbul, turkey.

Are you familiar with the policies of said airlines and ATC in istanbul, turkey?

You do know that "dry hail" (hail that is fully frozen with no liquid on it's surface) will not paint on weather radar?

[Zimme83]

A Delta A320 after suffering similar damage in a hail storm over the third world country of Colorado:

[Busher]

You're attributing words to me that I did not express.

Please tell me where I said "only ground personnel can safely help an airliner negotiate its way though severe weather."

When I clearly stated "There is a line of communication from many sources that makes up the information you receive.".

The fact is that this airliner and two others were vectored into the path of the hail in istanbul, turkey.

Are you familiar with the policies of said airlines and ATC in istanbul, turkey?

You do know that "dry hail" (hail that is fully frozen with no liquid on it's surface) will not paint on weather radar?

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Ya I am well aware that dry hail and dry snow won't paint.

Also well aware that I am tired of the debate, so you win.

If I could respectfully ask... what is your background in aviation?

[nrshida]

If I could respectfully ask... what is your background in aviation?

Respectfully Busher you’re proceeding under a false assumption that a reasonable position or argument is appropriate or valued in an inherently unreasonable domain. You have made your point and established your credentials convincingly. You can step away without conceding a defeat. 

[icepac]

See Rule #4

[Puma44]

If the known facts are that three aircraft encountered hail in the same area on the same departure day, it begs the question; why didn't someone advise the second and third aircraft?

It would be interesting to see the METAR for the departure airport on that day. 

[Zimme83]

LTBA 271520Z 32021G34KT 290V350 3600 -TSRA SCT016CB BKN026 20/20 Q1003 RETSGRRA BECMG TL1600 9999 NSW
LTBA 271534Z 34017KT 6000 -TSRA FEW020CB BKN035 21/20 Q1002 BECMG TL1600 NSW RMK RWY17L /////KT RWY05 33018KT RWY23 34016KT 310V020
>> LTBA 271550Z 34021KT 9999 -SHRA FEW020CB BKN030 22/20 Q1002 RETSRA NOSIG RMK RWY17L 35016KT RWY05 33019KT RWY23 34016KT
LTBA 271620Z 30016KT 7000 FEW014 SCT025CB BKN080 22/20 Q1004 RESHRA NOSIG RMK RWY17L 31015KT RWY05 29015KT RWY23 31015KT 290V350

[nrshida]

See Rule #4

[EskimoJoe]

Another article on the matter.

http://tribunist.com/news/hero-pilot-dramatically-lands-jet-damaged-by-hail-storm-as-passengers-pray-video/

"The violent storm hit the city of Istanbul quickly. Though it only lasted 20 minutes, flash floods happened throughout the area, and traffic was brought to a standstill...."

Akopov was unaware of the storm when he approached the airport. He said, "Our locator did not show this weather disaster, this is why it happened. It was hard, but the main thing is that people are alive.”

The storm hit the area only 10 minutes after the flight took off....""

[NatCigg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzYp1BeA8jU

him landing reminds me of playing flight simulator.  of course i could see the runway.

good job by him.

 

[nrshida]

See Rule #4

Steam sanitisation? 

[DaveBB]

If the ILS had been damaged and the windscreens were all obscured, what options would the pilot have for landing the plane?

On a side note, from watching the second half of the video, hauling people around in a jet would be a big PITA.  I'd transfer to FedEx or UPS riki-tik.