P47-M

[wil3ur]

Of the 2800 kills racked up by the P-47M in Melee tour 209, only 328 players got kills in it, so those kills are divided amongst them. Of those players, only the top 30 most skilled got more than 20 kills (less than 10% of the players), and of those only the top 12 got more than 50 kills in it, and only 4 players got over 100 kills in it...

And only 2 players got nearly 200 kills each in it. So the kills are heavily tilted towards the two most skilled players flying it: Yucca and Thrash99. They got 175 and 174 kills in it.

While Thrash took down a dozen lancasters in it total, the majority for both pilots were fighter kills, and it is mostly being used for dogfighting. The planes most able to bring down either top ace are, no surprise, the spit16 and p-51d.


TL;DR we have those stats and you can look them up all you like.

This here is amazing and exactly what is needed.  There is no reason to perk a plane because two people fly it effectively.  Definitely shows there is no effect on the game balance.  <S>

[Krusty]

Just don't look at my beloved Me410 stats. No, wait, do. Do look at the Me410 stats. It proves your point, as a matter of fact.

[Vinkman]

Heh... not like I said it on the first sentence, on the first line of my post.   

you're right. It was 5:33am. I guess I was still half asleep. 

[Krusty]

No worries Vink. I kid. 

[Mister Fork]

I flew the P-47M last night with a low ammo load, 50% fuel, and a droptank.

JHC the thing is a monster (especially when you burn and drop your tank). Climbs at almost 4000+ fpm, accelerates like a Mustang GT with nitro, and turns better than the P-51D. Wow. Just wow. I'm truly in awe of this machine...might be my next favourite ride next to my Spit V.

[Krusty]

6 guns light was the standard loadout. There was no "overload" like we have in this game. That's historically fictional. 267 rpg and 6 or in rare cases 8 guns was the standard load. That's why it was such a big deal in WW2. It was a hotrod. In this game everybody takes the 1000lbs extra weight in the wings and complain it's not that great.

That doesn't mean it deserves a perk, though.

[Mister Fork]

6 guns light was the standard loadout. There was no "overload" like we have in this game. That's historically fictional. 267 rpg and 6 or in rare cases 8 guns was the standard load. That's why it was such a big deal in WW2. It was a hotrod. In this game everybody takes the 1000lbs extra weight in the wings and complain it's not that great.

That doesn't mean it deserves a perk, though.

Agreed. It'll be my standard loadout going forward. There are other aircraft that are much better performers - and it doesn't need to be perked. But FML, this is a great surprise!

[Wiley]

6 guns light was the standard loadout. There was no "overload" like we have in this game. That's historically fictional. 267 rpg and 6 or in rare cases 8 guns was the standard load. That's why it was such a big deal in WW2. It was a hotrod. In this game everybody takes the 1000lbs extra weight in the wings and complain it's not that great.

That doesn't mean it deserves a perk, though.

I still think it's great with the 1000 lbs extra weight in the wings.   

The best part is, the more you shoot the better it gets.  I have used 6 guns light ammo for dueling in various jugs from time to time and it definitely does improve the handling.

I have to admit I'd miss the unlimited ammo loadout if they got rid of it though.

Wiley.

[Krusty]

I do admit I want 120 rounds of 30mm in my 109K-4. I do admit I want 1000 rounds of 20mm on my C205. I do admit I want 6,000 lbs of 1k bombs in my B-25C.


Doesn't mean any of them ever existed, and if I had them then you took them away, I'd miss them. I think it's a big hole in AHs historical fidelity that this guns load persists yet to this day.

Otherwise give me my 8x 20mm cannons on my Fw190D!

[LilMak]

47M is just a Jug that'll hang on the prop a little longer. If fights in the MA regularly occured above 20k, then all the Jugs would be considered monsters and need perks. At MA altitudes, the M is slightly above average. Can't outrun much, doesn't accelerate for crap, certainly not very good at slow speed turns.

[Krusty]

It is great for dumping E for a nice sharp hard turn and a nice hard-punching guns setup, though. Those two together mean a pilot with a little SA can wreck shop against the unwary.

[Becinhu]

One 47m is a good fight. The problem is when there are 2 and they use wingman tactics. And as much as I hate saying it the 56th exemplify wingman tactics in those birds. It guaranteed if you are fighting rooks and there are multiple 47s that they are probably flying them.


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[The Fugitive]

One 47m is a good fight. The problem is when there are 2 and they use wingman tactics. And as much as I hate saying it the 56th exemplify wingman tactics in those birds. It guaranteed if you are fighting rooks and there are multiple 47s that they are probably flying them.


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Except on Friday nights when most of the guys are flying their FSO birds.   

[THRASH99]

At MA altitudes, the M is slightly above average. Can't outrun much, doesn't accelerate for crap, certainly not very good at slow speed turns.

You and me both know Mak from fighting each other that when put to the test, tides can turn 

[bozon]

I do admit I want 120 rounds of 30mm in my 109K-4. I do admit I want 1000 rounds of 20mm on my C205. I do admit I want 6,000 lbs of 1k bombs in my B-25C.


Doesn't mean any of them ever existed, and if I had them then you took them away, I'd miss them. I think it's a big hole in AHs historical fidelity that this guns load persists yet to this day.

Otherwise give me my 8x 20mm cannons on my Fw190D!

Except all the other examples you make up require modifications to theaircraft or are simply impossible. On the other hand, 425 rpg in the P47 was simply a loadout option that was simply not used often, or at all. It did not require any modifications.