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Offline Arlo

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Re: The HO
« Reply #105 on: December 13, 2017, 10:46:12 PM »
When I first came to AH from AW that was how the HOing and any other dweebishness was handled. You were put upon by the community. Shaming was a great learning tool. Of course in todays "politically correct" world I guess we couldnt possibly use those tired old tactics.  :rolleyes:

Yes, there's always been an element of 'shame police' around. But don't pretend it was a universal theme practiced by all veterans of the game and it was never an effective 'learning tool.' Plenty of us have been around long enough to know better. :D

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Re: The HO
« Reply #106 on: December 14, 2017, 07:06:32 AM »
Scraping off the usual steaming pile of unfounded conceit, what you are doing Arlo is proceeding under three limiting misassumptions and hiding behind prejudice.

Firstly:

"I'm pissed at people taking shortcuts in killing me or trying to kill me in Aces High while I took valuable time learning ACM…

They DO NOT kill me with a HO. That is entirely the point which you strangely shrink away from. Never in a merge and in the extremely rare case of any other face-to-face arrangment I have failed to generate enough separation and that is my responsibility (and often times a compliment if you think about it). It is my job to stay out of an opponent's or opponents' gunsight(s) while working them into mine. I have no need to complain, whine or get pissed because I do not suffer losses to this technique, I exploit it and kill those that try it if they do not immediately dive and run to the nearest airbase without even turning. Because I took the trouble to invest in better ACM.

That I know how to do something you do not (or at least did not when you faced Titanic) is a simple statement of fact not arrogance. It does not matter how you present or discuss this when dealing with people who are so entrenched in their self-protecting prejudices that they automatically resort to attempted name-calling, and character assassination (essentially), instead of considering that those saying so might have a point. It's apparently just far more pleasurable and safer to start projecting allegations of elitism, arrogance and condescension.


Secondly, that I need or want players of AH to fly my way or accept my views or preferences.

This is woefully inaccurate. I fly alone, in a middle-spectrum plane and I like it that it's a jungle out there. HO yourself silly if you like. Up over and over and over again playing chicken at a closing velocity twice your own with a similarly front-armed aircraft and have at it. Rinse and repeat for years until disillusionment starts to creep in and decide resolutely in the meantime that anyone who says anything critical is employing ‘shame policing’ or ‘virtue signalling’ or whatever funky new term you can resort to which justifies your ubernoobness, laziness, ignorance or the instant gratification-centric bypassing of an essential point upon which the game is built. Then eventually skulk away to play a point and click game berating the toxic community of AH what done me wrong. Guv'nor.


Thirdly:

Unfortunately, Aces High will need people that will contribute or it will perish.

Your decision, your call.


I do acknowledge that you have posted in wisdom and levelheaded consideration. I would in general agree. However I'm presently more reminded of the anecdote of Benny 'The Jet' Urquidez being once asked how he resolved being a Christian while at the same time beating the living s**t out of all-comers in street fights. He said something like: it has troubled me for a long time. Eventually I decided God had sent them to me to teach them a lesson. I assume he wasn't talking about kickboxing  :)


« Last Edit: December 14, 2017, 07:08:29 AM by nrshida »
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Re: The HO
« Reply #107 on: December 14, 2017, 07:57:59 AM »
I'm not sure if the tough love approach is going to work on new customers, regardless whether or not they are the young players that grew up having a "safe space" or crotchety old men who cannot take constructive criticism from anyone.
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Re: The HO
« Reply #108 on: December 14, 2017, 08:36:27 AM »
(Violation of rule #4 - apologies shida - fight the good fight.)
« Last Edit: December 14, 2017, 10:43:05 AM by Arlo »

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Re: The HO
« Reply #109 on: December 14, 2017, 09:09:35 AM »
dealing with people who are so entrenched in their self-protecting prejudices that they automatically resort to attempted name-calling, and character assassination (essentially), instead of considering that those saying so might have a point.

Irrelevant, impotent, attempted personal attack.

Called it.

You can no more argue points than do ACM. Merry Christmas to you too ubernoob. Don't let Santa out-fly you in his sleigh this year.

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Re: The HO
« Reply #110 on: December 14, 2017, 09:38:42 AM »
(Violation of rule #4 - apologies shida - fight the good fight.)
« Last Edit: December 14, 2017, 10:43:19 AM by Arlo »

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Re: The HO
« Reply #111 on: December 14, 2017, 10:01:27 AM »
The hallmark of a shida post is quickly hurt feelings and projection.

Don't flatter yourself. I'm passionate about ACM. You can't even raise my pulse.


I'm not attacking ACM. I'm challenging childish methods of attempted arena behavior control as 'good for the community.' I'm not even expecting venting to end. But I'm not going to buy bs that it's for altruistic purpose. Rational heads know there's a better way. :)

Of course you are. You're a paragon of reason and balance aren't you. Rational head Aha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

You're triggered. Pure and simple. Knowledgeable players highlighting the stupidity of merging nose-on-nose at around 700 m.p.h guns blazing from both sides in similarly armed aircraft and suggesting there are better things to do.  It's not even particularly advanced ACM. I wouldn't even call it intermediate. But you and Bustr immediately internalise that as arrogant, deference-seeking, condescension, and I'm the one with the problem? You've clearly never recovered from the rogering Titanic gave you when you last staggered in here claiming you can avoid the HO and got royally Shagged. So don't p!55 on my back and tell me it's raining.

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Re: The HO
« Reply #112 on: December 14, 2017, 10:04:37 AM »
(Violation of rule #4 - apologies shida - fight the good fight.)
« Last Edit: December 14, 2017, 10:43:32 AM by Arlo »

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Re: The HO
« Reply #113 on: December 14, 2017, 10:08:28 AM »
Give it a rest, shida. Word count on your posts, alone, show you're getting way too riled versus the true merit of this HO shaming argument. Have a toddy. Light a fire in the fireplace. Stop taking yourself so seriously. I doubt many others do. :)

One thing you can always say about Arlo. Got to have the last word. The hallmark of the sore loser  :rofl

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Re: The HO
« Reply #114 on: December 14, 2017, 10:20:56 AM »
(Violation of rule #4 - apologies shida - fight the good fight.)
« Last Edit: December 14, 2017, 10:43:44 AM by Arlo »

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Re: The HO
« Reply #115 on: December 14, 2017, 10:52:35 AM »
This seems to be gravitating toward personal issues, shida

Come off it mate. Is this really the best thing you've got in your toolbox, to go this far with implying histronics. It's pathetic. You've posted as much as I in this thread. You're only trying this because you have not and can not address my points. Now you're trying to invite to get the thread locked and attach the blame to me?


You're un-arrogantly (without the need to try to embarrass anyone to make a point) supporting the position that HOs can/are being effectively discouraged among new players (and old, I suppose) by 'calling them out' on channel 200 in a rather harsh manner and that this is also good for the future of AH and its community. Such behavior will only increase numbers.

I have not done that. Have never done so on 200 nor have ever PMed anyone nor posted film. Have you even read the OP? Or understood it?

Someone please explain how teaching guys to HO is helping them overcome the learning curve in Aces High...

YOU are filling all the rest in about shaming or whatever new trendy Opera Winfrey terminology is in fashion.


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Re: The HO
« Reply #116 on: December 14, 2017, 11:24:38 AM »
Can you guys at least take it to general discussion? I'm not sure if new players need to see this kind of bickering on the Help and Training forums.
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Offline nrshida

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Re: The HO
« Reply #117 on: December 14, 2017, 11:37:24 AM »
Can you guys at least take it to general discussion? I'm not sure if new players need to see this kind of bickering on the Help and Training forums.

I believe I have at least tried to keep pushing this topic to the ACM end of the spectrum.

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Re: The HO
« Reply #118 on: December 14, 2017, 11:46:29 AM »
And you're doing a great job. Please continue.  :salute :cheers:

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Re: The HO
« Reply #119 on: December 14, 2017, 12:46:56 PM »
And you're doing a great job. Please continue.  :salute :cheers:

Is this your last word on the topic?
 
I do think your new signature: 'Never try to embarrass someone, let them do that, them-self' is marvellously ironic, just and appropriate for you all at the same time. Really well done.

I'd advise you to get someone else to proof read your dissertation for you before you submit.

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