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Offline Puma44

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Re: Harassment Policy?
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2018, 07:24:09 PM »
There’s always the option of not tuning 200.  That can eliminate a lot of trash.  Then there’s the squelch option.  Always a great option when someone is going on and on about their sore big toe or some other dribble that has nothing to do with game play.



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Re: Harassment Policy?
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2018, 07:42:03 PM »
In game you right click on a players callsign on the roster—-> Simply select squelch. There is one for text and one for range (voice). An offensive player will eventually be muted by one of the moderators, but in the event the mod did not see the remarks you have the squelch option.

If there is something that goes way beyond what you consider acceptable behavior, call the office during their office hours. If you send them a recording they will take appropriate measures. In the menu you can set autorecord to keep a record of every sortie.
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« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2018, 08:25:02 PM »
Rule 1.. Don't be a Dick
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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2018, 09:01:59 PM »
Rule 1.. Don't be a Dick
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Re: Harassment Policy?
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2018, 09:03:07 PM »
Rule 1.. Don't be a Dick

A good Rule 1 for most anything.



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Harassment Policy?
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2018, 09:16:15 PM »
These are all viable options to deal with this issue.

I still believe a TOS is important. Here’s why:

- As FLS points out, a TOS informs players what is expected of them, so no one is surprised when a TOS rule is invoked. We respect this in the BBS all the time. But we need to know the rules before we can abide by them.

- It should not be on offended players to have to squelch or debate the “offending” player.

- Debates on harassment should not have to be settled individually.  This is not why we’re here. We are here to vulch and get proximity kills.

-Oftentimes, the “offender” doesn’t know they’re being offensive (or as JimmyC eloquently put it, “being a dick”). They feel they are joking, or that it’s okay for them to say blah because blah. They don’t want to be lectured, and CH200 is not the place for culture sensitivity training. Having TOS makes it clear that it’s not acceptable under any context.

-Joachim makes a valid point - the “offended” people can just leave. It’s where we currently are. I don’t want to be part of an experience where people are mocked for their race, gender, orientation, etc. I don’t want to manage it on my own by private DMs or squelching. I wouldn’t tolerate it in a restaurant or in the workplace, against me or anyone else. And if management said it was ok for people to do this, I’d leave. So if HiTech says it’s fine, I’m out the door and you’ll all lose an easy kill.

-I don’t think people will suffer if they can’t discuss certain subjects or use certain phrases in the game. If you want to be able to say anything in CH200 so much so that you’re willing to leave the game, please speak up.

It’s up to the management to set the rules.

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Re: Harassment Policy?
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2018, 09:29:26 PM »

Quote Mutha
 I wouldn’t tolerate it in a restaurant or in the workplace, against me or anyone else. And if management said it was ok for people to do this, I’d leave. So if HiTech says it’s fine, I’m out the door and you’ll all lose an easy kill.

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Re: Harassment Policy?
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2018, 09:59:35 PM »
I think there are a few here that have totally missed the point of the OP ....  he doesn't have a greivence... he believes there should be a set of rules in written form as to the code of conduct expected within the game..... Has a valid point...
It would be helpful...probably wouldn't stop the forum post about moderation but it would go a long way to alleviate some things...
even to point out that 200 is an open channel
that over politically motivated drivel is not allowed
that guns must be holstered whilst in the oclub etc etc

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Re: Harassment Policy?
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2018, 10:58:41 PM »
You're trying to hard.
It's not complicated.  If HTC posts a specific set of rules, there will be those who are going to skirt the edge, the very edge, and push it to the limit.
This is an Adult game. Adults can be idiots.  There is a squelch feature and a report feature, and HTC will deal with the problem on an individual basis.
Email them with problems, report in game.  There does not have to be a legal wall of text defining what is appropriate behavior. This is an impossible goal as some people do not get offended, others will.  It is a game of adults, so deal with it on an individual basis only as it pertains to you. 
What you think others should or should not do is irrelevant and not your business. 
There is no such thing as a code of conduct.  Nothing offends me, everything offends someone else.  How do you write conduct to address this?  You can't.
If YOU are harassed, report it, HTC will deal with it as they deem appropriate. If it's not you, it's not your concern, stay out of it.
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Re: Harassment Policy?
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2018, 11:45:27 PM »
Roc, I disagree that there is not such thing as a code of conduct. We have one here in this forum, and we spend our days in the real world adhering to rules of respect.

I do agree with you that overthinking this can make a TOS unnecessarily complicated, and the game shouldn't lose players because of a legal wall of rules, nor should HiTech's time be spent moderating individual disputes.

But the game shouldn't lose players because of behavior which has nothing to do with the game. I propose we leave race, gender, orientation and politics off CH200. Let's stick to who's a HOing weasel, who's hacked the flight model, and why I always get rubber bullets and can only fly a runstang. You know - the important stuff.

I really do think we can agree to universal ground rules of mutual respect, which are pretty much the same rules you'd have to adhere to in a McDonald's. And by all means let's keep it simple.

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Re: Harassment Policy?
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2018, 12:10:35 AM »
Mutha is right :old:

If you pm me about cheating I could not care less, my score is poo anyway, and cartoon land is not that important.

I have never reported anyone, if it’s bad I will leave and I won’t be putting it on the forums.

Everyone knows who the people are in game,its self evident from their attitude.

People leaving due to abuse is sad, everyone knows what acceptable and what’s not :old:

The only solution to abusive people is facility to permanent squelch option, I would use it on regularly basis, being sent to the leper colony would be a good feature :old:
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Re: Harassment Policy?
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2018, 12:57:46 AM »
Squelch possibly?

A player shouldn't have to use squelch, nor is having squelch a license for those to start harassing others.
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Re: Harassment Policy?
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2018, 01:34:56 AM »
I guess I interpret HTC's TOS differently than others....

HTC's TOS covers everything that the example of Blizzard's TOS (or game rules)....

HTC just uses a broader brush to include any and everything without breaking things down independently.... For those small few of us that use the message boards which is like 10% or less of all players, then the message boards rules also apply for while a person is in-game playing....

I may be wrong, but it looks like the TOS changed a bit in wording to be more broadly...this might possibly have been updated when they added the classifieds sub-forum and added this part to the TOS years ago....

Hope this helps

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Re: Harassment Policy?
« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2018, 09:39:31 AM »
Seriously, thanks to you guys for wanting to discuss - I appreciate that this is a sensitive issue, but I’m not posting to create a debate. I just want HTC to tell us their policy. That’s all!

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I see your post as a troll, we have been operating online under our same rules long before blizzard was online. Btw we had our 19 anniversary April 12.
And our TOS  is show as you try subscribe.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/company-info/support-policies/terms-of-service

I find there list of rules rather silly, they may make you feel good, but in reality the way blizzards rules are listed would create more issues then they would solve in my opinion.

Our rules are really pretty simple be civil and are are unstated just as rules are unstated in normal cultural behavior. Trying to state them in a more precise terminology creates more problems then it would solve.

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« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2018, 09:51:14 AM »
19 years!  Congratulations HiTech and Company! 



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