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Offline FESS67

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Re: limit eny when we have low players
« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2019, 01:51:37 AM »
Who is this mythical person who says there isn't a problem? 

The issue is what to do. Any idiot can complain.

Yep, as already mentioned in this thread, there have been many suggestions made over the years.  Here are a few for you to pour your usual scorn over:

  • No ENY Ever
  • No ENY when population drops below a threshold
  • Base ENY only on those in flight to eliminate the effect of tower sitters.  Apply a 10 minute moving average to ensure only those who are truly AFK are excluded from the equation
  • Separate plane ENY from GV ENY.  Don't penalise the 2 guys trying to fight in the air because 15 others are in tanks
  • Allow ENY restricted planes to be flown by paying a perk price.  Hell may as well find some way to use perks
  • Drop side switch time to 1 hour to counter the effect of changing sides to then find the fight dries up and you are back to square 1
  • Allow switching to the low number side at any time

See FLS us idiots have been suggesting ideas for a long long time however we appear to come up against an immovable force and eventually we just start to give up and 1 by 1 we fade away.

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Re: limit eny when we have low players
« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2019, 07:02:10 AM »
Well that's my point. You guys have been suggesting stuff for years and complaining you didn't get your way. That's fine.

Then you say nothing changes and nothing is ever done. That's a blatant lie.

The game has been updating and changing since it started. 

I'm not impressed with the ideas or the behavior.




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Re: limit eny when we have low players
« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2019, 07:58:06 AM »
shuffler when you have 18 players in an arena, we shouldnt have eny.  you can say switch and it will fix it, but switch to what.  I was flying with friends and if I was to switch or ask others to switch then we still would have eny.  me I play this game because I like the p51, not because of low eny but because I grew up hearing stories about the p51.  that's my favorite ride.  I have flown others zero's spits, nikis and used to be pretty good in them.  but when I up in my p51 with the red tails skins, I get this feeling that this is the ride I was mean to be in.

I understand when we have 70 or 80 players, even 50 but at 18?  come on.

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Too bad for the Germans they didn't have ENY.


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Re: limit eny when we have low players
« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2019, 09:38:06 AM »
Too bad for the Germans they didn't have ENY.

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Re: limit eny when we have low players
« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2019, 01:11:10 PM »
shuffler when you have 18 players in an arena, we shouldnt have eny.  you can say switch and it will fix it, but switch to what.  I was flying with friends and if I was to switch or ask others to switch then we still would have eny.  me I play this game because I like the p51, not because of low eny but because I grew up hearing stories about the p51.  that's my favorite ride.  I have flown others zero's spits, nikis and used to be pretty good in them.  but when I up in my p51 with the red tails skins, I get this feeling that this is the ride I was mean to be in.

I understand when we have 70 or 80 players, even 50 but at 18?  come on.

semp

Even with low numbers it seems it is needed. The problem is with such low numbers it is kind of like driving push pins with a hammer.

Not sure if some sort of flow with the plane eny could be adjusted when numbers drop to a certain point. How hard that would be to code and how exactly to implement.
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Re: limit eny when we have low players
« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2019, 01:35:48 PM »
Even with low numbers it seems it is needed. The problem is with such low numbers it is kind of like driving push pins with a hammer.

Not sure if some sort of flow with the plane eny could be adjusted when numbers drop to a certain point. How hard that would be to code and how exactly to implement.

With low numbers it only drives them lower.  I would not even enable it until you reach 75+.


I've said it a million times.   I love hordes.   Gives me lots of people to shoot down.   A horde without ENY than an empty arena with it.
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Re: limit eny when we have low players
« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2019, 02:24:28 PM »
Well that's my point. You guys have been suggesting stuff for years and complaining you didn't get your way. That's fine.

Then you say nothing changes and nothing is ever done. That's a blatant lie.

The game has been updating and changing since it started. 


There is no blatant lie here at all.  The discussion is about ENY.  The fact that updates and changes to other aspects of the game have occurred is irrelevant to this discussion.


I'm not impressed with the ideas or the behavior.

As expected.  Your forum posts are littered with such comments.  No content, no substance just the usual dismissive few words.

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Re: limit eny when we have low players
« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2019, 07:01:54 PM »
If you mean ENY hasn't changed lately that's true. That's because it's working like it's supposed to.

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Re: limit eny when we have low players
« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2019, 07:27:43 PM »
If you mean ENY hasn't changed lately that's true. That's because it's working like it's supposed to.

Yep.   It’s making people log off.     That’s one of its stated purposes.    (And in that regard it is working like a charm.)  :aok
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Re: limit eny when we have low players
« Reply #39 on: October 19, 2019, 07:51:44 PM »
I believe the reason is that it's worse without it. 

The MA allows people to not be fun to play with, within broad limits.   

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Re: limit eny when we have low players
« Reply #40 on: October 19, 2019, 07:57:05 PM »
I believe the reason is that it's worse without it. 

The MA allows people to not be fun to play with, within broad limits.   

When you have only 30 people it is not fun to play by default.     The ENY Monster is a driver of that dynamic.
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Re: limit eny when we have low players
« Reply #41 on: October 19, 2019, 08:14:25 PM »
Hey we're disagreeing again.  :D 

Thirty people can have fun but it's up to them.

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Re: limit eny when we have low players
« Reply #42 on: October 19, 2019, 08:18:15 PM »
Hey we're disagreeing again.  :D 

Thirty people can have fun but it's up to them.

Boring holes in an empty sky with ENY limiting your rides may be someone’s idea of fun, but it sure ain’t mine. 
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Re: limit eny when we have low players
« Reply #43 on: October 19, 2019, 08:30:36 PM »
Well if it's about your score you're out of luck.

If you want to have fun there are other arenas, just ask another unhappy can't find a fighter to join you.

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Re: limit eny when we have low players
« Reply #44 on: October 19, 2019, 09:13:24 PM »
Well if it's about your score you're out of luck.

If you want to have fun there are other arenas, just ask another unhappy can't find a fighter to join you.

Why do you think all we care about is score?  Projecting?  You're a majority of one either way.

The other arenas are emptier than the MA.  So let's try again.

Keep burying your head in the sand.  If you don't look at the bear he can't eat you.
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