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Offline Toad

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Re: Boeing 737 Max
« Reply #120 on: July 07, 2020, 12:19:34 PM »
Oh, that is a very interesting report Busher.

For example, from the CVR of Lion Air 610:

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22:25:39 The Captain advised the FO that he was having flu. The CVR recorded the Captain coughed   about   15   times   within   an   hour   during   the preflight.

Umm...flying while you are under the influence of the flu? Isn't that what sick time is for?

As for the dispatch of Lion Air 610, the report lays it off on the previous crew the night before. They acknowledge things were not right but blame that crew's inadequate reporting of the problem.

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41.On  the  flight  from  Manado  to  Denpasar  on  28  October  2018,  the  DFDR recorded  the  A/T  disengaged  on  takeoff  roll  and  the  SPD  and  ALT  flags  on the  captain’sPFD  most  likely  had  appeared  after  the  engine  start.  The altimeter  and  speed  indicator  are  airworthiness  related  instruments  and  must beserviceable  for  dispatch.  The  decision  to  continue  the  flight  was  contrary to the company procedure.

42.The   engineer   in   Denpasar   considered   that   the   problem   had   appeared repeatedly and decided to replace the left AOA sensor. Replacement of AOA sensor  proved to  be  the  solution  to  rectify  the  SPD  and  ALT  flags  that  were reported to have appeared on the Captain’s PFD, however the installed AOA sensor was misaligned by about 21° and resulted in different problems.

43.The Boeing test result indicated that a misaligned AOA sensor would not pass the  installation  test  as  the  AOA  values  shown  on  the  SMYD  computer  were out  of  tolerance  and  “AOA  SENSR  INVALID”  message  appeared  in  the SMYD  BITE  module.  This  test  and  subsequent  testing  verified  that  the alternate method of the installation test could identify a 20 or 21° bias in the AOA sensor.

44. Comparing  the  results  of  the  installation  test  in  Denpasar  and  Boeing,  the investigation  could  not  determine  that  the  AOA  sensor  installation  test conducted in Denpasar with any certainty.

45.The BAT LMPM required the engineer to record the test values to ensure that the test results were within tolerance. The engineer did not record the value of the AOA angle deflection during the AOA sensor installation test. Therefore, neither  BAT  nor  Lion  Air  identified  that  the  documentation  had  not  been filled out.

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56.The  insufficient  SMS  training  and  inability  of  the  employees  to  identify  the hazard  might  also  be  indicated  by  the  incomplete  post-flight  report  of  the problems that occurred on LNI043. The incomplete report became a hazard as the  known or  suspected  defects  were  not  reported  which  might  make  the engineer unable to properly maintain the airworthiness of the aircraft.

57.Content of the report did not trigger the Duty Management Pilot to assess this as  a  Serious  Incident  and  enable  a  safety  investigation.  The  risk  of  the problems  that  occurred  on  the  flight  LNI043  were  not  assessed  to  be considered as a hazard on the subsequent flight. TOAD: YGBSM!!

58.The  LNI043  flight  that  experienced  multiple  malfunctions  were  considered caused or could have caused difficulties in controlling the aircraft. According to the ICAO Annex 13, CASR part 830 and OM-part A, the flight is classified as serious incident which required investigation by the KNKT in accordance with  the  Aviation  Law  Number  1  of  2009  and  Government  Decree Number 62 of 2013.

59.The  definition  of  an  aircraft  repetitive  problem  was  different  between  Lion Air  CMM  and  BAT  AMOQSM.  This  difference  indicated  that  the  Lion  Air did not monitor the repetitive problem policy of the BAT as a subcontracted entity.

60.The requirement to report all known and suspected defects is very critical for engineering to be able to maintain the airworthiness of the aircraft.
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Re: Boeing 737 Max
« Reply #121 on: July 07, 2020, 12:21:19 PM »
This is from the Final Report on Lion Air 610. It details the AOA/MCAS problems on the previous flight. I found it interesting that it really does not highlight the jumpseat pilot as the guy that saved the aircraft as the news reports kind of did. I was also somewhat surprised to see that the jumpseat pilot was a F/O; for some reason I thought he was a Captain.

In any event, it shows what the crew of 610 could have done but failed to do. This I think once again highlights what the "you guys" have been saying. In the end, the crew is the last entity that can break the accident chain. On Lion Air 043 the crew was able to do just that. On Lion Air 610, the crew was unable to do that despite flying in the exact same aircraft with the same problem.


That's pretty much how the problem on 610 should have been handled. Note the use of standard pitch/power. Note the cutout of the stab trim. Same aircraft, same problem...different crew. One lives, one doesn't.

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Offline Busher

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Re: Boeing 737 Max
« Reply #122 on: July 07, 2020, 12:37:08 PM »
Thank you Toad. That excerpt of the report clearly indicates that no safety culture existed at that Airline at the time of the accident. Slipshod attitudes guarantee crashes. Now I can't even see this as an accident.... it was a certainty just waiting for the right time.
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Re: Boeing 737 Max
« Reply #123 on: July 07, 2020, 04:13:15 PM »
Only got to page 5, I'm sorry I posted.
Far too many, if not most, people on this Board post just to say something opposed to posting when they have something to say.

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