The future of the game: let's help write it

[100Coogn]

Recommending addition by subtraction isn't new on the forum but it is just as irrational as it ever was. 

I found changing the Dar to this gamey thing we have now, quite irrational.

Coogan

[Shuffler]

I think a lot of people would be very upset if all that stuff was taken away. It’d be a lot of resources and time wasted putting those features in the game, only to take them out later. Air to air combat only is addressed with the custom and dueling arena anyways

Then you disagree with kavo in that there has been lots of changes. Kavo says there have been none.

[Shuffler]

I found changing the Dar to this gamey thing we have now, quite irrational.

Coogan

I believe it was due to request to help find other fighters.

[Arlo]

I found changing the Dar to this gamey thing we have now, quite irrational.

That's not a 'must add' or 'must subtract.' That's an 'adjustment of what we have.' Sorry if I confused you. 

[100Coogn]

I believe it was due to request to help find other fighters.

Dot Dar was better.  Had to use our brains a little.  Now we know where everyone is going and pretty much what they're flyin'.

Coogan

[Arlo]

Dot Dar was better.  Had to use our brains a little.  Now we know where everyone is going and pretty much what they're flyin'.

Finding the enema and Fighter vs. bomber icon. The horror.

[100Coogn]

That's not a 'must add' or 'must subtract.' That's an 'adjustment of what we have.' Sorry if I confused you. 

You did not.

Coogan

[100Coogn]

Finding the enema and Fighter vs. bomber icon. The horror.

And which way they're heading..  hmm. 
Did you miss that part?

Coogan

[Arlo]

You did not.

Ok then. Sorry for your confusion, wherever it came from. 

[Arlo]

And which way they're heading..  hmm. 
Did you miss that part?

I've experienced the changes as you have. Our difference is our sense of tragedy. 

[100Coogn]

Ok then. Sorry for your confusion, wherever it came from. 

Right.

Coogan

[Wiley]

That's true, but it is probably more fun because it is only once a week. I don't think that format would sustain the Melee arena permanently.

If that's all the Melee was, then I think you'd lose most the already depleted customer base.  it would make the current numbers look like Mardi Gras.

I think that is the prime problem with WO:P.  There is no "Game" there.  No ongoing "War".  Just some dueling arena and a furball area. 

$0.02.

Yup.  Same reason FSO wouldn't work if that was the MA.  Things like these are best scheduled, and not constant.

Dot Dar was better.  Had to use our brains a little.  Now we know where everyone is going and pretty much what they're flyin'.

Coogan

It allows the people that won't read bardar to see things they otherwise wouldn't.  Personally I think it's a good thing, as I think it creates more conflict where before if you weren't in a dar circle, you didn't exist to most people in the arena.

As far as "which way they're heading", you got that with dot dar by watching the dot dar for 2 ticks.  That wasn't exactly a "challenge".

Wiley.

[100Coogn]

Yup.  Same reason FSO wouldn't work if that was the MA.  Things like these are best scheduled, and not constant.

It allows the people that won't read bardar to see things they otherwise wouldn't.  Personally I think it's a good thing, as I think it creates more conflict where before if you weren't in a dar circle, you didn't exist to most people in the arena.

As far as "which way they're heading", you got that with dot dar by watching the dot dar for 2 ticks.  That wasn't exactly a "challenge".

Wiley.

Maybe not a challenge, but now it's pretty much just point and click.

Coogan

[Wiley]

Maybe not a challenge, but now it's pretty much just point and click.

Coogan

The way I look at it, before you would try to defend, call things out when you found them, and 90% of the people wouldn't respond until the dots showed up in the dar circle.  When they changed it to what it is now, I saw a strong increase in people who would see the planes around the scout and up to defend.  To me that's a win because it creates more interaction.

To be honest, I'm pretty ambivalent about the planes and knowing which is a fighter or bomber.  I don't think it's that big of a deal though.

Wiley.

[100Coogn]

The way I look at it, before you would try to defend, call things out when you found them, and 90% of the people wouldn't respond until the dots showed up in the dar circle.  When they changed it to what it is now, I saw a strong increase in people who would see the planes around the scout and up to defend.  To me that's a win because it creates more interaction.

To be honest, I'm pretty ambivalent about the planes and knowing which is a fighter or bomber.  I don't think it's that big of a deal though.

Wiley.

I think it is a big deal. 
The wonder has been removed from this game.

Coogan