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Re: Covid Vaccine
« Reply #195 on: December 12, 2020, 05:59:58 AM »
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« Reply #196 on: December 12, 2020, 06:21:51 AM »
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« Reply #197 on: December 12, 2020, 09:18:41 AM »
That is but one.... but you obviously live here and have much more time to waste on these boards.

Well, that's kind of amusing considering our relative post counts and join dates. You could have just typed the better example you think you're holding back for some odd reason instead of that wasted 'observation.'  :old:

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« Reply #198 on: December 12, 2020, 10:50:08 AM »
Yes, I know these things.

In Semp's example, freedom of speech means also for private citizens and private organizations freedom from speech -- by which I mean not being forced into saying things, including on their property or on their equipment (such as private message boards).  That's a good thing.

In Busher's example, there are things illegal to say, which are well known and non-controversial, such as not being able to slander people or incite violence against a person.  Those also are good things.

My conversation was not about the legality of free speech or about free speech in general.  It was about a specific conversation with Arlo, involving personal preference -- specifically Arlo saying he wouldn't ever view any link to something on Bit Chute.

I admire when private platforms promote freedom of speech as it is defined in the US legal framework.  But they aren't required to do that, and my admiration does not extend to slander, inciting violence against a person, etc.

It's like if Arlo and I were having a conversation about vegetarianism, and I say, "I'm in favor of meat as part of one's diet."  That doesn't mean I think the Constitution requires that everyone eat meat.  That doesn't mean I think it is OK to murder and eat fellow humans.

They simply don't understand the concept of what freedom actually means. Thats why its okay to deny yours.

They say its okay for a private company to deny free speech, but don't understand that its actual soviets who have taken over media businesses and are book burning accounts calling them "racist" with no actual proof, inorxer to promote their agenda for a left wing take over. Once silicon valley gets the okay to push social credit scores and other illegal unconstitutional tech to prevent people from holding money in banks or making money from PayPal or patron, inorder to get those conservatives in line, its going to be extremely hard to take down. People just don't understand this and simply write it off as "conspiracy" even though this is exactly what they are doing in China using these silicon valley companies.
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Re: Covid Vaccine
« Reply #199 on: December 12, 2020, 11:17:50 AM »
My conversation was not about the legality of free speech or about free speech in general.  It was about a specific conversation with Arlo, involving personal preference -- specifically Arlo saying he wouldn't ever view any link to something on Bit Chute.

I admire when private platforms promote freedom of speech as it is defined in the US legal framework.  But they aren't required to do that, and my admiration does not extend to slander, inciting violence against a person, etc.

It's like if Arlo and I were having a conversation about vegetarianism, and I say, "I'm in favor of meat as part of one's diet."  That doesn't mean I think the Constitution requires that everyone eat meat.  That doesn't mean I think it is OK to murder and eat fellow humans.

Point of order here. My observation about 'Bit Chute' was that it hosts videos that have been universally condemned as misinformation and even dangerous by other platforms and communities. The video that DS wants to share here, over and over, happens to be an actual example. I also made mention that the name somehow earned itself a spot on this forum's word filter and it's obvious that the word, itself, isn't vulgar, profane or insulting. That leaves but one possibility - either HT, the forum contractor or both do not want that source spread all over this forum, likely because it is politically volatile in nature.

To answer that with a cry for 'freedom of speech' is not all that different than saying anyone should be allowed to yell fire in a crowded movie house or display porn in a grade school classroom or church because ..... freedom (which isn't what the 1st Amendment was about).
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« Reply #200 on: December 12, 2020, 11:21:12 AM »
They say its okay for a private company to deny free speech, but don't understand that its actual soviets who have taken over media businesses and are book burning accounts calling them "racist" with no actual proof, inorxer to promote their agenda for a left wing take over.

I understand that you weren't even alive when there was a Soviet Union but it would really behoove you to actually study up on use of that word and not just repeat what you're reading on poorly written and thought out sources. Seriously, it would help you look less foolish :aok

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« Reply #201 on: December 12, 2020, 12:14:41 PM »
Point of order here. My observation about 'Bit Chute' was that it hosts videos that have been universally condemned as misinformation and even dangerous by other platforms and communities. The video that DS wants to share here, over and over, happens to be an actual example. I also made mention that the name somehow earned itself a spot on this forum's word filter and it's obvious that the word, itself, isn't vulgar, profane or insulting. That leaves but one possibility - either HT, the forum contractor or both do not want that source spread all over this forum, likely because it is politically volatile in nature.

To answer that with a cry for 'freedom of speech' is not all that different than saying anyone should be allowed to yell fire in a crowded movie house or display porn in a grade school classroom or church because ..... freedom (which isn't what the 1st Amendment was about).

Prove that anything that I posted is racist or violent.

Your clown show says they are racist and have "condemned" it because they are scared crapless that their agenda is being exposed and they are being found out.

Don't cry about it. They put themselves in this position and we will be damned if we don't call them out on it. We will be damned if we allow them shut us out of being able to speak out against them.

That's my problem with you losers. You never accept that we have research and methods too, and you can't stand that because you hate competition and hate that your ideas and people promoting them are being challenged.



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« Reply #202 on: December 12, 2020, 12:21:04 PM »
Prove that anything that I posted is racist or violent.

Your clown show says they are racist and have "condemned" it because they are scared crapless that their agenda is being exposed and they are being found out.

Don't cry about it. They put themselves in this position and we will be damned if we don't call them out on it. We will be damned if we allow them shut us out of being able to speak out against them.

That's my problem with you losers. You never accept that we have research and methods too, and you can't stand that because you hate competition and hate that your ideas and people promoting them are being challenged.

Relax, son. Just try reading my post again. Slowly and maybe more than once.  :)

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« Reply #203 on: December 12, 2020, 04:36:12 PM »
Relax, son. Just try reading my post again. Slowly and maybe more than once.  :)

Quite disturbing to see how a cult can completely capture such a significant number of people, isn't it? And there is no debate with what the cult perceives as truth.
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« Reply #204 on: December 12, 2020, 05:26:58 PM »
Well, that's kind of amusing considering our relative post counts and join dates. You could have just typed the better example you think you're holding back for some odd reason instead of that wasted 'observation.'  :old:

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« Reply #205 on: December 12, 2020, 05:27:29 PM »
Oh and your infinite wisdom  :old:
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« Reply #206 on: December 12, 2020, 11:21:40 PM »
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Re: Covid Vaccine
« Reply #207 on: December 13, 2020, 04:29:41 AM »
My observation about 'Bit Chute' was that it hosts videos that have been universally condemned as misinformation and even dangerous by other platforms and communities.

Every pile in history of burned books was deemed to be universally condemned and dangerous.

As we've talked about, any service that does not censor content will have:

1.  Garbage material that is universally condemned, that you and I both would consider to be garbage.
2.  Some non-garbage material, not in the mainstream because it contradicts an agenda.

If a person will never look at anything from or distributed by an organization condemned by the mainstream -- it means he therefore will miss much information that contradicts the mainstream.

That dynamic has been helpful throughout history to groups in power.

It's OK, though.  The world needs all kinds of people.  If a group in power says, "You shouldn't read that -- it's dangerous or condemned," it becomes something I feel especially obligated to check.  Yet, if everyone were like me, it wouldn't be best for the world.  There's some proportion of people like me in that respect and not like me that is best for the world.

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To answer that with a cry for 'freedom of speech' is not all that different than saying anyone should be allowed to yell fire in a crowded movie house or display porn in a grade school classroom or church because ..... freedom

Completely incorrect.

As I've said, the following two things -- which I support -- are typical, non-controversial, and beneficial:
A.  The usual small set of speech that is illegal.
B.  That people and organizations (such as schools) can (and do and have the right to) decide what information to convey and what information not to convey.

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« Reply #208 on: December 13, 2020, 05:34:54 AM »
I understand that you weren't even alive when there was a Soviet Union but it would really behoove you to actually study up on use of that word and not just repeat what you're reading on poorly written and thought out sources. Seriously, it would help you look less foolish :aok

I will not happily live under your dictatorship! You can not push your views on me!  I have respect for those before us and will strive to uphold the truths that they earned.  I dont know how to get you to respect what you have been given.

  There is no right answer.  This is life on earth, it is what we make it. Verified sources and accepted points of view are dangerous when used to oppress and dictate! 

In my point of view, the freedom you mock is essential.  You flaunt how disturbing it is to see someone get irate about not wearing a mask.  I see expression that can't be undervalued. To you it is common knowledge to assimilate and believe.  I want to know the truth.  Yeah I know I'm not getting to the point as I should.

The disconnect begins with these root points of view.  A left brain vs right brain, if you will.  One based off of ideal norms and one based off individual liberty.

Dictating righteous norms is identical to dictating wrongful norms.

A philosophical difference that separates arguments and how we operate and think in this world.
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« Reply #209 on: December 13, 2020, 07:01:13 AM »
Sadly the media cannot be trusted

And this year seems to prove at least half the gov, probably most, is suspect and best and treasonous at worst

Looks like china will own the new potus to the point of blackmail..as everyone already knew

All of a sudden it is news as they will use it to push sleepy creepy corrupt joe out and install the crazy jamacian sleeze

Will those cheated react or will they just shrug it off like the hillary email scandal?

Crazy times

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