Self defense?

[RotBaron]

dude I accept the fact that he was found innocent.  he was tried he was found not guilty.  do I think he's innocent, no, i do not.  just like oj simpson.  I dont like it but that's just the way it is.


semp

 

See above post.

You’re playing judge and jury with merely a modicum of facts.

[RotBaron]

Political trolling.

He meant George Floyd I believe - NOT political issue.

Thus YOU are the one inserting politics. 

[zack1234]

Floyd who?

[rabbidrabbit]

Argue away, But None of us heard all of the evidence presented, therefore we know considerably less than the jury does and even less than the court and attorneys…

The entire trial was televised and the facts are well documented through many good videos.  There were also a number of lawyers who were directly involved in the case who live streamed through the entire trial as well and there was a ton of inside info as well as top level experts discussing how the facts played out.  Rekietalaw was just one lawyer who started out streaming the pretrial motions and it snowballed into the most watched live stream and coverage of the trial.  He often had twice to as many as three times the number of viewers as PBS for example.  He had over 150k simultaneous viewers last might.  There were over two dozen lawyers with all aspects and specialties covered including those directly participating in the trial. 

So it is fair to say that all information wasn't publicly available it is safe to say almost all was and so much more beyond what the jury knew. 

[rabbidrabbit]

dude I accept the fact that he was found innocent.  he was tried he was found not guilty.  do I think he's innocent, no, i do not.  just like oj simpson.  I dont like it but that's just the way it is.


semp

I'm simply trying to establish actual fact and not even going to opinion.  As a matter of actual fact, the legality of his possession of the rifle that night was litigated and the judge followed the law.  As a matter of observable fact, he lawfully possessed the rifle that night.  Your speculations beyond do not negate the basic facts.

You refuse to separate actual facts from what you want to be true and still seem to think that your opinions are more valuable than actual facts.  That's why I have not even tried to step into the realm of actual opinion.  You can't even separate the two enough to have a discussion beyond that first step.

Why not simply own your weakness and grow beyond it?  I'm actually not trying to attack you.  In almost every conversation I see you get into here, you kill the thread by doing this same thing.  I'm not naïve enough to think this will happen as it is ingrained into your persona but in fairness to you, I'm trying to help you see something you are consistently blind to. 

[Eagler]

OJ Simpson comparison?

Lol

Nothing in this case is like that double murder commited by that psychopath

Eagler

[Maverick]

Was going to chime in on this but it degenerated so quickly an fully to personal attacks and political posturing it isn't worth it.

[CptTrips]

He meant George Floyd I believe - NOT political issue.

Thus YOU are the one inserting politics. 

Nope.  Good try.  He knows what he was referring to and admitted it by by saying he was trying to avoid my "Main Derangement Syndrome."   

Floyd Derangement Syndrome isn't a thing.  We know what he is referring to.  Nice deflection try.

[LCADolby]

Not only was he cleaning up the mess that rioters created, treating injured and putting out fires.

He shot only in self defence, rioters and a pedo, ((Rosenbaum) If you have 11 counts of sexual misconduct with a child and get killed rioting, I'm pretty 'meh' about it.)

The Media tried to demonize him... He beat the media and not many can say that.

The guy's a farking hero!

[DmonSlyr]

Kyle was more than likely set up from the start, which is why he ended up alone, and why the FBI had a drone lined up in that spot in the first place. Pretty schiesty the prosecution would provide unclear resolution video in the first place. But that is another story.

What do people expect to happen when your town is being demolished by total lunatics and your tax paying organizations don't stop it? People will take matters into their own hands and deal with the situation. We aren't gonna sit here anymore and allow thugs to destroy our property after some corrupt clown calls off the national guard. Infact the military should have been out there protecting the businesses and citizens that pay them their taxes. That is another story.

The fact that people are protesting that a sexual abuser and child abuser got what they deserved is what is wrong with this country and the media right now. A bunch of sick Fs is what they all are. The fact that high level media and officials are calling him a "white supremacist" et al, after he shot only white people attacking him, is what is wrong with the sick delusional and demented media in this country. I hope they all burn in hell for the division and destruction they have caused in the country.

In the end. The jury made the right decision and I thank them for that after all the abuse they received. Kyle proved that proud Americans will no tolerate destruction of their property and when he got attacked, he did what he had to do. I applaud him for that. I hope he sues the living crap out of all of these people who falsely labeled him.

[Eagler]

With this verdict the slander lawsuits will begin

He has cases against the majority of our unbiased media outlets to the top potato head in the land...

I wish him well with those

Eagler

[100Coogn]

With this verdict the slander lawsuits will begin

He has cases against the majority of our unbiased media outlets to the top potato head in the land...

I wish him well with those

Eagler

There's even talk of Kyle suing Biden. 

Coogan

[RotBaron]

The entire trial was televised and the facts are well documented through many good videos.  There were also a number of lawyers who were directly involved in the case who live streamed through the entire trial as well and there was a ton of inside info as well as top level experts discussing how the facts played out.  Rekietalaw was just one lawyer who started out streaming the pretrial motions and it snowballed into the most watched live stream and coverage of the trial.   

So it is fair to say that all information wasn't publicly available it is safe to say almost all was and so much more beyond what the jury knew.

I’m not as certain about that as you are, even with all the televised parts of the trial and the streaming.

I’ve unfortunately had to sit through five murder 1 trials for the two men who heinously beat my brother to death.

I got to see so much that the general public is oblivious to, it is NOT like the show Law & Order. It’s considerably more complex.

The judge will always require the jury to leave the courtroom when new evidence or other issues are being argued over for their relevance and other issues that may influence the jury but not be legal to become admissible. The jury will also be asked to leave for numerous other reasons, like outbursts by family/friends or anybody (including the lawyers) disrupting testimony.

I’m sure the judge had the power to shut down televised portions for evidentiary arguments that might end up getting back to the jury.

Nevertheless, I certainly don’t know most of the evidence and therefore can’t judge. However from the modest amount I did see and watch, it appears like his intention was to help people and knew he had to be armed to do so. He feared for his own life as he was being attacked while trying to run away - that meets the requirements for use of lethal force in self defense in Arizona and most states (I can’t speak for Wisconsin though).

[RotBaron]

Btw, if the jury doesn’t have a verdict in the first day, the large majority of the time it’s going to be acquittal or a hung jury. So their verdict should not be a surprise.

[guncrasher]

Kyle was more than likely set up from the start, which is why he ended up alone, and why the FBI had a drone lined up in that spot in the first place. Pretty schiesty the prosecution would provide unclear resolution video in the first place. But that is another story.

What do people expect to happen when your town is being demolished by total lunatics and your tax paying organizations don't stop it? People will take matters into their own hands and deal with the situation. We aren't gonna sit here anymore and allow thugs to destroy our property after some corrupt clown calls off the national guard. Infact the military should have been out there protecting the businesses and citizens that pay them their taxes. That is another story.

The fact that people are protesting that a sexual abuser and child abuser got what they deserved is what is wrong with this country and the media right now. A bunch of sick Fs is what they all are. The fact that high level media and officials are calling him a "white supremacist" et al, after he shot only white people attacking him, is what is wrong with the sick delusional and demented media in this country. I hope they all burn in hell for the division and destruction they have caused in the country.

In the end. The jury made the right decision and I thank them for that after all the abuse they received. Kyle proved that proud Americans will no tolerate destruction of their property and when he got attacked, he did what he had to do. I applaud him for that. I hope he sues the living crap out of all of these people who falsely labeled him.

is there anything in this world that isnt a conspiracy to you?


semp