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« Reply #105 on: January 17, 2024, 04:15:52 PM »
Or are any of these, which have higher than the US median:

My point was that it is easier for them to blend in with the native population once they lose the accent, than say a migrant from Nigeria or China or Japan.

Same with Italians and Germans.

In a generation, you can't tell them from families that came over on the Mayflower, walking down the street.  That makes assimilation a lot easier. 



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« Reply #106 on: January 17, 2024, 04:17:32 PM »
I doubt that.  I don't think Russia could handle the losses or the economic cost (let alone both) for more than Ukraine.  Invading those other countries would be an order of magnitude harder for them.

I disagree.  And just because it would be stupid, are you saying the russian wouldn't do it?  Because they make such good, rational decisions?

I doubt that Ukraine is going to win.

Perhaps.  Depends on definition of "win".  Afghanistan didn't "win" initially.  But after a decade of bleeding them they forced them to tuck tail and retreat.  So are we talking short game or long game?

If they roll over Kiev it changes nothing.  We simply move into the next phase.  Supported resistance.  Imagine the French Resistance armed with drones. 

And of course the sanctions are kept at full force until the last russian boot is rotting in the mud or marching home.





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« Reply #107 on: January 17, 2024, 04:21:57 PM »
You forgot to pay your taxes.

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« Reply #108 on: January 17, 2024, 04:36:23 PM »
We pay our taxes to support folks like you.
If you are implying what I think you are. You are one of those that vilify people that are not able to work due to various reasons and don't care about their right to live because it doesn't concern you.
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Re: Loose bolts
« Reply #109 on: January 17, 2024, 04:37:20 PM »
My point was that it is easier for them to blend ....That makes assimilation a lot easier.

So does following the laws and not having some odd sense of entitlement

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« Reply #110 on: January 17, 2024, 04:47:36 PM »
Why are there many different countries/nations? I would suggest these have been formed and dissolved over the millennia based on common values and culture. Rome absorbed many cultures over centuries almost successfully. But not quite. 
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Re: Loose bolts
« Reply #111 on: January 17, 2024, 04:58:09 PM »
I disagree.  And just because it would be stupid, are you saying the russian wouldn't do it?  Because they make such good, rational decisions?

I agree that such decisions aren't always rational.  But there are things like these that don't all apply universally:
-- A bunch of eastern Ukraine people might be happy to be part of Russia.
-- Aspects of Ukraine's strategic position, being part of NATO, and the US's use of all that was handled in a way that maximized chances of war.

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Afghanistan didn't "win" initially.

It's hard to keep control of a region where there are plentiful natives who hate you.

Also:  US control of Vietnam, Shah's Iran, British control of Rhodesia, French control of Algeria, Dutch control of South Africa, US control of Iraq, etc.

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And of course the sanctions are kept at full force until the last russian boot is rotting in the mud or marching home.

Russia can (and does now) sell its resources through China, India, etc. to the rest of the world.

Also, sanctions weaken the US dollar.  US use of dollar as a weapon decreases perception of its safety and increases the motivation to build other currency systems.

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« Reply #112 on: January 17, 2024, 05:08:06 PM »
It's hard to keep control of a region where there are plentiful natives who hate you.

Exactly.  We just move to the next phase.  Only difference is we just change the mix of intel we feed them and the weapons we get into their hands.
Every drunk russian that stumbles out of a bar gets his throat slit in the alley.
Every general who gets into his car to drive to headquarters gets a drone up the wazoo.

Russia can (and does now) sell its resources through China, India, etc. to the rest of the world.

Also, sanctions weaken the US dollar.  US use of dollar as a weapon decreases perception of its safety and increases the motivation to build other currency systems.

Irrelevant.  Our system is stronger and we can absorb more pain.  Their system will crater first. 
It's how we defeated the Soviets.  And present day russia is a pale, pale shadow of the Soviet Union.



Next we need to lease the Ukrainians some of our old mothballed diesel subs.  $1 per decade per sub.  Payments suspended for 50 years.  Train them up.  Send them intel on which tankers are carrying russian oil.  Where they are. What their route is.  What the captain had for breakfast.  What kind of pron he surfs.  Then announce that we cannot guarantee the safety of any tanker carrying russian oil in violation of sanctions.  Then let things take their natural course.




 
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« Reply #113 on: January 17, 2024, 05:31:26 PM »
Anyone seen Boroda lately? I'd enjoy his take on the current situation.
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Re: Loose bolts
« Reply #114 on: January 17, 2024, 07:05:56 PM »
Every drunk russian that stumbles out of a bar

My point is that eastern Ukraine perhaps doesn't hate Russians.  Maybe even would like to be part of Russia instead of part of Ukraine.

Like Texians who didn't want to be part of Mexico.  US passed a bill authorizing annexation of Texas if the Texians voted in favor of annexation.  They so voted, and the US so annexed.  Even though Mexico said it would be an act of war if the US did that.  the Mexican-American War ensued.  And the US got Texas -- as well as Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Wyoming.

The Donbass voted to be part of Russia -- was that a scam, or do they feel that way?  Despite mainstream western governments and their friendly new agencies saying it was a scam, who knows?  I'm skeptical about all news and statements these days.

To me, the Ukraine War is a huge tragedy all around that seems like it could have been easily avoided.

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Irrelevant.  Our system is stronger and we can absorb more pain.  Their system will crater first. 
It's how we defeated the Soviets.  And present day russia is a pale, pale shadow of the Soviet Union.

The Soviets defeated themselves with an authoritarian system that their citizenry hated and with a moronic, doomed-to-fail economic system -- socialism.  We hurried it along with a lot of military spending that the Soviets tried to keep up with.  But they were doomed regardless.

The current Russia has a large problem with corruption.  But their economy functions vastly better than under Soviet socialism.  And there are plenty of places in the world that are happy to buy their oil and other resources.

There will be downs, and ups, as this or that sanction is tweaked, and then circumvented.  But sanctions or no, laws or no, impediments or no, willing customers win in the end.

That's why there have been, are, and probably always will be black markets.

The US severely criminalizes illegal drug use, sales, transport, and manufacture.  It has spent a $TRILLION in the War on Drugs.  Yet there is still plenty of drug use.  And so much money in it that drug cartels sometimes vie for national control or at least control over regions of nations (Columbia, Mexico).  Maybe even enough to buy off some US politicians (seeing how things have been handled with respect to fentanyl, border, OxyContin, etc.).

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There are things that maybe could work, but are very unlikely to be done for auxiliary reasons.

My opinion is that a lot of money is made from, and a lot of distraction is created from, the Ukraine War.  I would not at all be surprised if the largest motivation is to keep it going as long as possible.

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Re: Loose bolts
« Reply #115 on: January 18, 2024, 07:43:38 AM »
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Some here will call you a Russian bot thinking like that...even if what you say is true

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Re: Loose bolts
« Reply #116 on: January 18, 2024, 09:24:09 AM »

Some here will call you a Russian bot thinking like that...even if what you say is true


Some are.  Regardless of whether they are self aware enough to realize it.

It is amazing and disconcerting, but human nature I guess.  Before WWII then was a significant minority of confused Americans that were very pro-Nazi and gleefully lapped up Nazi propaganda.  Like enough to fill Madison Square Garden in rallies.

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Re: Loose bolts
« Reply #117 on: January 18, 2024, 09:28:09 AM »
I'm skeptical about all news and statements these days.

Yet so willing to believe every bit of propaganda from an ex-KGB colonel.

To me, the Ukraine War is a huge tragedy all around that seems like it could have been easily avoided.

Yes.  By russia not invading a sovereign neighbor.

All the rest is just tin-foil hat stuff.  Bon Appetit.


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Re: Loose bolts
« Reply #118 on: January 18, 2024, 09:46:54 AM »
I have some experience of Russia and conflicts. Only forcing tsar Putain out of Ukraine's territory will end the war. Frozen conflict achieved with some ceasefire or armistice will just be a source of new, even more serious conflict, because in Kremlin it would be considered as a victory and will give Russia time to reorganize and strengthen its military.

Russia has for centuries been thinking it can tell its neighbors what they are allowed to do. If that cannot be broken, it will remain threat to its neighbors. It's like a school bully, always picking someone who it thinks to be easy target. Bully needs bloody nose and awareness of more and worse beating, if it does not behave.

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Re: Loose bolts
« Reply #119 on: January 18, 2024, 10:18:53 AM »
I’ve been watching russian dashcam videos.   
When presented with potentially rear ending a stopped or slowed car,  the russians don’t break right or hit the car in front.   
They always choose the head on option.
I’ve also noticed they never use braking when in trouble.