Are these game freezes the result of someone changing codes in real time?

[Animl-AW]

We’re not alone on the 10 min freeze

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/laptop-freezes-while-gaming-switching-to-built-in/3903f2fe-d9e2-427e-a127-9a2fba00c295


How to share event logs in case of a computer issue
https://www.yourwindowsguide.com/2017/12/how-to-share-event-logs-in-case-of.html#.ZFfoIRFByUk

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Shift+ ctrl + win + B
Will refresh video driver

Scaling has caused issues too.

A clean i stall of the driver may need to happen.

[Shane]

My testing so far leans towards it being directx11 related and possibly in conjunction with nvidia drivers.

Ran dx9 version with no freezes (still have geforce overlay, no effect on or off.)

Dx11 still experiences freezes.

Only thing I haven't done is rolled back nvidia drivers to pre-isp move (last known non-freeze dx11.)   If I do this and it does not resolve the freezes, then it's either some windows update or possibly actually related somehow to the isp switchover.

I rolled back the nvidia drivers to the pre-isp switch ones (april 2024 drivers- clean install) - still got freezes. 

Might be indicating a windows update did something, but how often do they mess with dx and not say in release notes?

[CptTrips]

I rolled back the nvidia drivers to the pre-isp switch ones (april 2024 drivers- clean install) - still got freezes. 

Might be indicating a windows update did something, but how often do they mess with dx and not say in release notes?

Have you guys disproved the skins thing?  Something like that sound more plausible to me.

I've had problems with micro stutter and micro freezes before in other games due to various problems.  (Like my thermal paste coming undone and hitting a CPU thermal throttling limit.  There are utils to detect if your CPU is hitting throttling events.  Interestingly though that issue would also take about 10 minutes or so to build up that amount of heat.  Then after it cooled I might get another 10 minutes before it would repeat.  Just to eliminate that possibility totally, like maybe some updated windoze threshold setting got updated in a patch, might be worth using the Intel util to eliminate that possibility.  I'd have someone who has been relieably repro'ing the issues to run the check.  Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVEXd-Wp8FY)

But something pausing 3-5 sec?  I find it hard the believe a video driver issue would ever pause something for 5 seconds.  That sounds to me more like some connection time-out thing.  5 seconds in GPU time is like 10 eons.  I could totally believe some connection timeout thing blocking for 5 secs of retries before being abandoned.

$0.02.

Maybe try this too: https://www.howtogeek.com/784198/how-to-monitor-your-computers-gpu-temperature/#:~:text=Windows%2011%20has%20the%20ability,performance%20tab%20at%20the%20top.

[Shane]

Have you guys disproved the skins thing?  Something like that sound more plausible to me. I've had problems with micro stutter and micro freezes before in other games due to various problems.  (Like my thermal paste coming undone and hitting a CPU thermal throttling limit.  There are utils to detect if your CPU is hitting throttling events.) But something pausing 3-5 sec?  I find it hard the believe a video driver issue would ever pause something for 5 seconds.  That sounds to me more like some connection time-out thing.  5 seconds in GPU time is like 10 eons.  I could totally believe some connection timeout thing blocking for 5 secs of retries before being abandoned.  $0.02.

I don't have the skin auto download enabled.  There used to be a micro-ding in loading other player skins, but with newer systems that has gone away.

My freezes last about 1/2 second and occur regardless of environment. I'll and see if I can capture it with the geforce overlay.  Using AH dx9 resolves it but comes with its own meh baggage in displaying some layers.

[CptTrips]

I don't have the skin auto download enabled.  There used to be a micro-ding in loading other player skins, but with newer systems that has gone away.

My freezes last about 1/2 second and occur regardless of environment. I'll and see if I can capture it with the geforce overlay.  Using AH dx9 resolves it but comes with its own meh baggage in displaying some layers.

If it is a throttling issue, I could see DX11 stressing things more because it does more and increasing the likelihood.  But anything is worth exploring when you are just trying to collect data points.

Of course at this point you can see any theory kinda fit if you squint hard enough.

Since some of you OLNY play AH you might not realize it could happen in another high load app.  At the time I swore it was a Battlefield bug until I realized it was Thermal throttling.  Battlefield was just my canary in the coal mine and not the root cause as I has suspected originally.  I wasn't playing anything else at the time.  Maybe window changed the power level thresholds or fan settings.  Running that stressor load tester app would be a good check.

[Gman]

Haven't read the entire thread and don't plan to -

One thing that should be checked first IMO is your PC's power settings.  IF you don't have it set to "Ultimate performance" while gaming, you could have a ton of micro freezing issues.  It's what cured my problems with AH on my prior gaming system, it had been set to "Balanced", and for some reason it greatly affected my network/connection with online games.

[hitech]

Animal, you must have turned of VSync in AcesHigh video settings.


It cant be skins because it does not happen in dx9 which also load skins.

As far as i Know there are no appearance differences between 9 and 11 but 11 is required for vr.

HiTech

[Animl-AW]

Animal, you must have turned of VSync in AcesHigh video settings.

HiTech

I prolly haven't looked at this in a year.

"Disable Vsync" option is not checked. So it's still enabled. <shrug>

Not sure what you're referring to, is it my 300fps?

[hitech]

I prolly haven't looked at this in a year.

"Disable Vsync" option is not checked. So it's still enabled. <shrug>

If I remember correctly there is also an overide in nvidia settings.

HiTech

[Animl-AW]

If I remember correctly there is also an overide in nvidia settings.

HiTech

CORRECT - My Vertical Sync in nvidia is set to "Fast", which is similar to "Off", it just prevents tearing.

Game moves and looks great

[Animl-AW]

A couple of us assumed that was where the high fps came from. Zero negative effects in the game visuals

[Animl-AW]

Nvidia Vsync options



I have read where vsync and DX can has caused freezes in other full screen game, but that doesn't mean it's the problem here. Some mentioned Vulkan stuff. Also read about conflicts with monitors with 60hz refresh rates (which is what I have), but nothing is falling together into one answer yet.

I do know that Vsync = Fast was ONE of the settings I made when I lost the freezes. The sense I get is that it still puts a little brake on frames enough to avoid tearing, where off is full tilt. Doesn't mean it's the fix but maybe a bandaid to something else.

I'll enable VSync again and see if I get freezes back.

[AKIron]

If the FPS is higher than your monitor refresh rate then vsync is not active.

Seems very unlikely to me though that a 2 second pause could be caused by vsync, on or off.

[Animl-AW]

If the FPS is higher than your monitor refresh rate then vsync is not active.

Seems very unlikely to me though that a 2 second pause could be caused by vsync, on or off.

I'm willing to research anything and everything. No one has an answer, 50 theories. I understand why I have high fps. But I also understand within one or 2 of those settings I made in Nvidia, or TCP/IP. Made it go away. In my case the answer is here, I just need to narrow it down. I work so I don't have all day and night to do these things. Process of elimination, VSync is just one part of that elimination. I want hard evidence it's not related before I discount it. Again, lots of theories, no answers. All I know is I fixed it here.

VSync is not fully enabled, nor disabled.

[Eagler]

Seems some of my latest vr glitches might be another defective proprietary vive pro cable

Eagler