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Re: What would get AH growing again
« Reply #90 on: November 06, 2024, 08:53:46 AM »
Berating new or return players on their skill level doesn’t help. These are their own worst enemy, then cry about numbers. Well duh! Hard to help those who won’t help themselves “someone else will fix it”

Not "berating" anyone.  Just pointing out that many of the suggestions for building numbers have more to do with current players' wishes than promoting the game to new players.
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Re: What would get AH growing again
« Reply #91 on: November 06, 2024, 09:32:00 AM »
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Re: What would get AH growing again
« Reply #92 on: November 06, 2024, 09:49:40 AM »
For this game to survive and grow it needs more young players. 

Aces High is very much a niche game that caters to people that specifically love World War II aircraft.  Unfortunately, young people (aka the future of the game) are not interested in World War II anymore.  It is so disheartening for me as a history teacher that LOVES World War II to see kids have no interest at all as I am passionately teaching my heart out and telling stories that are not in history books.  Young players want new, high tech, advanced weaponry.  This is even evident in other communities like Call of Duty as most players hated Call of Duty: Vanguard.

The subscription model is also outdated as most of the popular games now are free to play with microtransactions.  There's no updates to the game.  There's no communication from HT.  There's no advertisement or any other investments into the game.  These are all issues outside of the gameplay and general attitudes of most of the players left.

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Re: What would get AH growing again
« Reply #93 on: November 06, 2024, 09:52:51 AM »
Not "berating" anyone.

Not you, never heard you do that. Just a comment in general. Mostly happens on 200. No one wants to get shoved into a spotlight for having not developed equal skills over night.
YKW and some of his clan were epic in it.

Even with it's "bad settings" we still have the best gameplay already. I doubt some settings will draw many in, I don't think it's a selling point, that's for current players. Some of these settings are to help new players. "I'm a new player and I joined because they made this setting change", said no one ever. You may get some return players on SOME of that.

Players eventually leave games, just because life or interest changes. If you don't have replacement numbers higher than those moving on, well,...it's just a matter of time.

If ya want new or return players we're gonna have to think outside the box. Everyone talks advertising, which should be #1, but they'd rather talk about settings and wishlist.

Some tweaking in graphics and spreading the word is IMO the key to any hope. Settings won't matter if they never even hear of the game. <shrug> :)

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Re: What would get AH growing again
« Reply #94 on: November 06, 2024, 10:22:45 AM »
For this game to survive and grow it needs more young players. 

Aces High is very much a niche game that caters to people that specifically love World War II aircraft.  Unfortunately, young people (aka the future of the game) are not interested in World War II anymore.  It is so disheartening for me as a history teacher that LOVES World War II to see kids have no interest at all as I am passionately teaching my heart out and telling stories that are not in history books.  Young players want new, high tech, advanced weaponry.  This is even evident in other communities like Call of Duty as most players hated Call of Duty: Vanguard.

The subscription model is also outdated as most of the popular games now are free to play with microtransactions.  There's no updates to the game.  There's no communication from HT.  There's no advertisement or any other investments into the game.  These are all issues outside of the gameplay and general attitudes of most of the players left.

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Re: What would get AH growing again
« Reply #95 on: November 06, 2024, 10:57:50 AM »
Not you, never heard you do that. Just a comment in general. Mostly happens on 200. No one wants to get shoved into a spotlight for having not developed equal skills over night.
YKW and some of his clan were epic in it.

Even with it's "bad settings" we still have the best gameplay already. I doubt some settings will draw many in, I don't think it's a selling point, that's for current players. Some of these settings are to help new players. "I'm a new player and I joined because they made this setting change", said no one ever. You may get some return players on SOME of that.

Players eventually leave games, just because life or interest changes. If you don't have replacement numbers higher than those moving on, well,...it's just a matter of time.

If ya want new or return players we're gonna have to think outside the box. Everyone talks advertising, which should be #1, but they'd rather talk about settings and wishlist.

Some tweaking in graphics and spreading the word is IMO the key to any hope. Settings won't matter if they never even hear of the game. <shrug> :)

It's fairly simple.  They just need to revamp the game into something completely different.

Get rid of the ongoing war, that kind of gameplay isn't popular.  To be honest I'm not sure if it ever was.  IMO in its heyday, people were tolerating the ongoing war because it was the best flying game out there at the time and people stayed in spite of that gameplay, not because of it.  As soon as there were alternatives that were still open PVP but instead had rounds where you have a short 20-30 minute fight where there's a winning and losing side, most people, particularly young people went to that.

A relative minority enjoy the gameplay provided here and don't want the above, but they're a minority.

Give them points at the end of each round that work toward some kind of progression, plane unlocks, skins, etc.  Or allow them to buy stuff with real money.

F2P kind of goes without saying of course.

Honestly I've kind of come to the conclusion HT may have been pretty smart not throwing a crapload of money, effort, and time into a game whose core structure isn't popular and isn't likely to see a resurgence.  He doesn't seem to want to create a giant game anymore and is ok with just riding it out for us old players until it ultimately runs its course and dies.

Personally I prefer that to turning it into something like War Thunder.

As far as advertising saving us all, when the game went on Steam, 40k people downloaded and installed over a period of a couple months.  I want to say something like 200 subbed for a month.  There was no noticeable increase in players with 40k going through over that time.

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Re: What would get AH growing again
« Reply #96 on: November 06, 2024, 11:09:27 AM »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rQiA2yMiZf0

Brilliant  :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok

Great action, tells a story and makes it clear no Ai involved. That video on its own would have made me as an older person want to get into PC games that recreate real events. It is a niche but I think one that is under sold given what AH can do with its vehicles and Planes etc. Above all it does not involve AI like the competition,

Brilliant recruiting video  :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok

For a long time my KD was 1 kill to 25 deaths in the early days but I was learning. AH is never going to attract the "I am not playing if I can't win straight out the box type". Futhermore people are going to do what people do to win which includes picking and running and trying to fly the best option to complement their skill level. How ever much people cry about it on here it is what it is and it won't change nor should it.   

If someone has to fly for 10 minutes to get clubbed on the head by 10 guys in 30 seconds the idea is to try doing something different next time like arrive at 20k plus in the fastest plane you can get and pick off the Horde carefully  :)     
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Re: What would get AH growing again
« Reply #97 on: November 06, 2024, 11:29:46 AM »
I wish there was a place where you could show what we have to those ho might be interested in WWII flying. As stated by a few if they didnt know about AH they wouldnt have come across it with the youtube and google algorithms as they are. I film every fight, win or lose..... mostly lose  :devil but Id take the time to convert atleast one film a day to a youtube video if there was someplace to put it so people would see it.

Are there any WWII social media spots that would allow videos like that posted? Maybe a Discord channel?

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Re: What would get AH growing again
« Reply #98 on: November 06, 2024, 11:30:36 AM »
For this game to survive and grow it needs more young players. 



Does it though? The demographic is allot of retired seniors in increasing numbers needing something to do  :bolt:

I would rather play AH than spend a fortune on Golf or Joining some country club where we gossip about who is going to die next  :D

Used to be young people were the future but no one is having children anymore  :headscratch:

Too expensive.
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Re: What would get AH growing again
« Reply #99 on: November 06, 2024, 11:39:06 AM »
I wish there was a place where you could show what we have to those ho might be interested in WWII flying. As stated by a few if they didnt know about AH they wouldnt have come across it with the youtube and google algorithms as they are. I film every fight, win or lose..... mostly lose  :devil but Id take the time to convert atleast one film a day to a youtube video if there was someplace to put it so people would see it.

Are there any WWII social media spots that would allow videos like that posted? Maybe a Discord channel?

Quite. Why fight over the overcrowded gamer market when there are plenty of old gits out there with lower end PC's who desperately need something to do that is not going for lunch or gardening and gets them into a male environment.

Machine gunning other men at 20,000 feet over West Germany is far more exciting than going to the garden centre with the Mrs 

HT and Aces High can save these bored men from the horror of constant domestic intimacy  :aok 

I am not at that age yet where I have mobility issues but when I do I would rather be on here and chatting on the forums etc than playing bridge with allot of fossils. I don't want to play with a bunch of teenagers or squeakers. 40 is a young fella to me now  :old:

Playing with teenagers and squeekers seemed like free babysitting to me and all that adolecent nonsense that used to go on. Let their parents deal with that don't bring it here. 
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Re: What would get AH growing again
« Reply #100 on: November 06, 2024, 11:40:16 AM »
I'm still here today because H2H allowed me to play the game without having to subscribe when I was younger and learn the game in a smaller setting. The only way you are going to get teens in the game now is if their dad/mom pays for it, and many of them aren't going to make a decision like that in 2 weeks unless they really really love it. I did so when H2H closed down after 6 months, my dad paid it for me to (help my typing skills), but I'm not sure I would have subscribed to the MA after only 2 weeks. The flights were far to me and competition was tough. Glad I did move over though because I was able to eventually learn a lot more and fly with good squads.

IMO, we are much better off trying to get old players back. Send them a news letter. Who cares if it's spam. I get like dozens a day from companies. It may spark their interest again.

We need to remove the 5 maps in a row I've discussed before so that smaller maps are played more often on the weekends than bowlMA taking to the entire weekend with tiny bellybutton little dars in 2 areas of the map. I'll post pictures later of what healthy vs unhealthy looks like.

It's very simple start with removing maps that don't build #s in the off hours.

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Re: What would get AH growing again
« Reply #101 on: November 06, 2024, 11:53:11 AM »
Imagine a news letter going out, just one or 2 a year even, explaining the Special Events (FSO) in the next few months, the Scenario coming up, new skins and maps about to come out, to all the emails you have of former players. This would alert far more older players that activity is still happening. I think you'd get a return. You might get some "muh spam" emails, but who cares, really.
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Re: What would get AH growing again
« Reply #102 on: November 06, 2024, 12:03:42 PM »
Imagine a news letter going out, just one or 2 a year even, explaining the Special Events (FSO) in the next few months, the Scenario coming up, new skins and maps about to come out, to all the emails you have of former players. This would alert far more older players that activity is still happening. I think you'd get a return. You might get some "muh spam" emails, but who cares, really.

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Typically:  players will have left to have children etc and be ready to return or had all kind of life changing experiences. This idea has a huge bang for buck pottential and once established could be built into the system. Great idea  :aok The best yet  :salute

This is the one I think HT is most likely to run with.

Probably about 50,000 ex accounts on record minimum and a 1% take up we are looking at !!!!! even a 0.01 take up. If High Tec offered another 2 week free trial that would sweeten it. Yes it needs that. Please HT offer them 2 weeks to get back in if at all possibe. Gives them time to sell it to their wife  :D 

Dmonslyr you are a genius  :salute :salute :salute :salute :salute

This is why putting heads together is a good idea.
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Re: What would get AH growing again
« Reply #103 on: November 06, 2024, 12:21:49 PM »
:aok :aok :aok :aok :aok

You are a smart chap  :salute

Typically:  players will have left to have children etc and be ready to return or had all kind of life changing experiences. This idea has a huge bang for buck pottential and once established could be built into the system. Great idea  :aok The best yet  :salute

This is the one I think HT is most likely to run with.

Probably about 50,000 ex accounts on record minimum and a 1% take up we are looking at !!!!! even a 0.01 take up. If High Tec offered another 2 week free trial that would sweeten it. Yes it needs that. Please HT offer them 2 weeks to get back in if at all possibe. Gives them time to sell it to their wife  :D 

Dmonslyr you are a genius  :salute :salute :salute :salute :salute

This is why putting heads together is a good idea.

Your return on direct email marketing is very low.
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Re: What would get AH growing again
« Reply #104 on: November 06, 2024, 12:33:23 PM »
Your return on direct email marketing is very low.

What do you mean ? Please ?

Can you be more specific ? No offence. 
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