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Offline Animl-AW

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Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
« Reply #90 on: December 03, 2024, 09:29:57 AM »
Rolling plane set is great for FSO and special events and I agree it makes for better fights, but wouldn't work in the MA, you'd have to structure maps by the years as you wouldn't want early war on a huge map, that was half my issue with mid war and early war arenas back then, the map was too damn big for those slower planes and it made it look like there was no action going on and people wouldn't stick around. Should have used some smaller custom made maps.

I could respond to the rest, but don't really have time unfortunately, but I'll stick to this quote.

While that is generally correct, it doesn't matter how good a pilot is if they are in a older plane vs an equal pilot in a newer plane. If both pilots are equal, the plane absolutely does matter, along with positional awareness. Plane capability makes a huge difference, it's why they never stopped trying to make planes faster and faster.

Also, it's about the Situational Awareness as well. A good pilot in a very slow plane isn't going to be able to out run the 3 190Ds and 2 Yaks coming to gang. You have to be much smarter about planning your attack and getting out of the fight. A tempest on the other hand, you can dive in and make mistakes with SA and press X immediately if you get too slow, and most planes still aren't going to be able to catch you.

IMO, decent sticks in less super late war planes will make the game much better for noobs. A noob fighting a vet where both are in spit 16 negates any plane advantage a noob may have.

Too many Tempest being used does not help noobs. It was once again a top 5 killer last tour. It needs to be perked much higher. Fast planes like a 190D with 500 cannons need to be 5 or 6 eny atleast. These types of planes make fights very boring because BnZ is a boring style of gameplay. Generally Noobs aren't going to have fun fighting 190D BnZ and Tempest when they are already disadvantaged and defending a base anyway.

I wouldn't recommend a P51 to a newb. They aren't goon enough at aiming to be effective with the 50 cals. And they aren't good enough when they get too slow and planes jump on them, that's one reason why the K/D is so much lower than a 190D. A 190D is better for a noob to learn. However they should understand that theres a time for attack planes and a time for defense planes, so they should also learn a Ki84 or spit8-16 to understand how to properly defend bases as well. If they only fly a P51 or 190D trying to defend, they aren't going to be very successful with that either.

Just keeping the response short. The P-51, Spitfire, B-17, B-29, Corsair, maybe 109s are big sellers because so iconic. Most replies from 51 jockies say the same. Ya have to make them available to those who are here for that reason. What draws players and how plane-set works to vets are conflicting arguments.

It was never fair play plane-sets in real war.

What clears this up to me is why events are very important, to quench that thirst.
Since early AW, the MA is just for practice for events. Not enough events? Get involved and make it happen.

Drums up interest in FSOs, revive Combat Challenge, AvA. IMO, there lays half your answer.
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Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
« Reply #91 on: December 03, 2024, 09:34:30 AM »
Rolling plane set is great for FSO and special events and I agree it makes for better fights, but wouldn't work in the MA, you'd have to structure maps by the years as you wouldn't want early war on a huge map, that was half my issue with mid war and early war arenas back then, the map was too damn big for those slower planes and it made it look like there was no action going on and people wouldn't stick around. Should have used some smaller custom made maps.

AH has always had this kind of a playground - it just needs attention by some interested and authorized person. The AvA (Combat Theatre) was a great plane to learn axis and allied rides against their contemporaries. I spent quite a bit of time there. It was far from being ideal, but many fun fights were had. FSO kind of fills this niche but it's limited in both scope and access.

I dunno about AH3 maps, but AH 1 and 2 had a bunch of good maps and it didn't really revolve around "map wins" but rather weekly plane matchups - which might have been why many MA hamstards had no interest in it.   

As it stands now, the AvA is a barren wasteland that has zero appeal and should be made free (with maybe early/mid war planeset) or removed from the arena lineup (SEAs serve the FSO and Scenarios.)

The AvA had weekly matchups and sometimes even went into a semi-rolling planeset or some what if's.   

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Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
« Reply #92 on: December 03, 2024, 09:35:47 AM »
Interesting.  In my experience, most of the "new" guys that trickled in the last few years were either returning players or players that have played other sims.  And it was very, very few of them.

Are you even still playing AH or just licking the window from outside?
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Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
« Reply #93 on: December 03, 2024, 09:39:58 AM »
Are you even still playing AH or just licking the window from outside?

Shane, as much as you talk about anklehumpers you sure seem to stay on mine.  Kinda makes you wonder why you stay chat banned, doesn't it?
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Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
« Reply #94 on: December 03, 2024, 09:40:38 AM »
Interesting.  In my experience, most of the "new" guys that trickled in the last few years were either returning players or players that have played other sims.  And it was very, very few of them.


That may be your observation. However, a few of us have been helping newbs get up and running, so we know there IS a trickle of new.

Not only are the main population is long term seasoned vets make the steep learning curve harder, therefore retaining them is harder. The skill level differences between vet and new is too wide. This has to change to retain the newbs. This is why some of us say help not insult. This change in attitude is desired. Ya can’t belittle the term Newbie snd wonder why ya can’t retain them.

If one player cost us 10 players they gotta go. They aren’t worth the trouble. Take the mic away from them, or dhort the life span of the game. Pick one.

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Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
« Reply #95 on: December 03, 2024, 09:40:41 AM »
Shane, as much as you talk about anklehumpers you sure seem to stay on mine.  Kinda makes you wonder why you stay chat banned, doesn't it?

Yeah, for calling out hypocrites like you.  :aok  :ahand
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Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
« Reply #96 on: December 03, 2024, 09:41:58 AM »
Yeah, for calling out hypocrites like you.  :aok  :ahand

How exactly am I a hypocrite?  Do tell.  The only thing you call out is your own faults.
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Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
« Reply #97 on: December 03, 2024, 09:44:49 AM »
How exactly am I a hypocrite?  Do tell.  The only thing you call out is your own faults.

You're all about humping AH's ankle here on the forums.  I'm just giving it a shake and watching you get all emo about being called on it.

Again, are you even playing or just window licking?
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Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
« Reply #98 on: December 03, 2024, 09:47:22 AM »
Who has got the biggest todger ?

That is all that matters  :aok

You all think you have big ones but I know mine is bigger  :rock
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Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
« Reply #99 on: December 03, 2024, 09:48:22 AM »
You're all about humping AH's ankle here on the forums.  I'm just giving it a shake and watching you get all emo about being called on it.

Again, are you even playing or just window licking?

I am a paying customer.  You are hyper-focused on being a victim and/or trying to get an "a-ha" moment.  Such a pitiful life, dude.  I'll pray for you.
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Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
« Reply #100 on: December 03, 2024, 09:59:39 AM »
I am a paying customer.  You are hyper-focused on being a victim and/or trying to get an "a-ha" moment.  Such a pitiful life, dude.  I'll pray for you.

No, just tired of weebz like you passively-aggressively humping AHs ankle because you got butthurt.

Are you... playing...  or just window licking?  Interesting how you dance around a simple straight forward question.
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Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
« Reply #101 on: December 03, 2024, 10:15:00 AM »
No, just tired of weebz like you passively-aggressively humping AHs ankle because you got butthurt.

Are you... playing...  or just window licking?  Interesting how you dance around a simple straight forward question.

If you had any sense about yourself (which we know you don't), you would know the answer.  I am not playing, but I am still paying for my account, which is doing just as much as you to keep this game alive.  Kinda crazy isn't it?  I would actually venture to say I'm doing more to keep this game alive considering the amount of negativity surrounded by your name.  You keep trying to paint a narrative on me that couldn't be farther from the truth, and it simply makes you an annoying "weeb" as you would say.  What about me making a statement about newbs is passive-aggressive?  Anyone with a brain knows that "newbs" make up an extremely small percentage of the players left, so why focus on the 1-2%ers?
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Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
« Reply #102 on: December 03, 2024, 10:26:28 AM »
Just here window licking.


tldnr; you're anklehumping the game itself.

I see. If your boi, YKW, can sneak back in with vpn shades, you could at least stop in and offer him some support now and then. Maybe even offer to help these occasional newbies (and more are showing up every day actually, both new and returning) by passing along the "tips" you got from him.
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Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
« Reply #103 on: December 03, 2024, 10:36:02 AM »
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Who's to say I haven't been doing that in the Match Play and Training Arenas (because I have).  Wow, another swing and a miss by Shane.  That's rather embarrassing.  When I was flying on a daily basis, I entered the TA before the MA if I ever saw even 1 person in there.
Funny...I've never seen you in there?  I've only seen you causing trouble in the MA.
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Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
« Reply #104 on: December 03, 2024, 10:43:20 AM »
Who's to say I haven't been doing that in the Match Play and Training Arenas (because I have).  Wow, another swing and a miss by Shane.  That's rather embarrassing.  Funny...I've never seen you in there?  I've only seen you causing trouble in the MA.

No reason to go to matchplay in its current iteration.  I'm sure you're having fun just sitting there and beating up on the occasional person who wanders in - probably a newbie that you can flex on.

But wait!  Let me ask - are you "shading" in MP arena, because this is your "paying" account, which jibes with you leaving butthurt back in Sept.  My last visit to MP was back in May.



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