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Offline Tac

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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2002, 08:25:08 PM »
Unfortunately kieran, schools teach (or impose hehe) "tolerance" (or PC pick your choice) , those who teach religion dont.

I am sickened by religious activists in schools. I think its even wrong to allow religious activities IN schools and universities.

Just to see the campus crusade for christ nutcases SWARM individual students each day bombing them with false smiles and empty questions about the beliefs of others.. ugh! Come on people, they dont have ANY right whatsoever to harrass people from other cultures and religions just because they are not like them! Ive come very close to smacking some of them upside the head when im the unlucky person that gets swarmed.

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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2002, 08:37:30 PM »
Please, by all means let me have it. Contrary to what you may believe I will change my mind given the proper circumstances. I sense that you will try to tell me how Evolution is somehow the same as Creation and should not be taught.

Evolution as a method of describing the diversity of life on our planet passes the test of the scientific method with flying colors. In the absense of the ability to directly recreate the experiment we can create a model. What would you expect from evolution in terms of this model? A hierarchy of life with an almost linear progression from least complex to most complex even within the great diversity and multitude of life. Look around you, does this apply? The fossil record is very complete in many cases, showing a progression along the same lines. One of the most complete fossil records is that of man. Keep your head out of the sand and your mind open. I promise I will.

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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2002, 08:38:05 PM »
Oh Zigrat I think well make life from scratch one of these days.
Its only a matter of time.

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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2002, 08:40:00 PM »
Oh tahgut Evolution is not PC or fair or decent in any way, I think thats an important thing to remind you of- its a very "capitalist" idea.... :)

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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2002, 08:53:07 PM »
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Oh tahgut Evolution is not PC or fair or decent in any way, I think thats an important thing to remind you of- its a very "capitalist" idea.... :)


HUH!?:confused:
Science is the most PC thing there is.....................nothin g is more fair or less prone to prejudices when done properly.

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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2002, 08:56:15 PM »
Science is not PC. PC = lies and dishonest delusiuons. Science = ture things as in reality.

Anyway what I meant was more along the line Evolution has no "affirmative action", you can cut or you cant............


Yes thats awful of me I know, string me up..... :)

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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2002, 09:00:13 PM »
Originally posted by midnight Target
What if I were to tell you that a vessel with a methane atmosphere (primordial) and a soup of preorganic compounds (known to exist on other planets pre life)  that was zapped by high voltage electricity (lightning)  produced nucleotides. A group of nucleotides make DNA.  All this was accomplished over about 72 hours in a lab. What do you think nature could do in 4.5 billion years?

 I'd say God designed the universe that way :)



The only evidence for Creation is the Creation story in the Bible........what about all the other religions and their creation stories? You don't need to twist the story of Genesis to fit the facts Udie. Genesis is just a story. The Bible is a wonderful compass for moral behavior, but it is not perfect, and pre Moses it is not even very accurate history.


  There's 6 billion bits of evidence walking and talking on the Earth right now :)

 The ONLY[/I][/U] I repeat the ONLY[/I][/U] fact about this subject we can honestly say is true is that nobody on this planet will ever know for sure how we got here.  It's impossible.  All we have is faith, I know where I put mine.   And my gut tells me that no way in freakin hell is this all random.

 Hell for all we know we're an experiment in some lab somewhere.

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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2002, 09:07:21 PM »
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I sense that you will try to tell me how Evolution is somehow the same as Creation and should not be taught.


I would do nothing of the kind. Separation of church and state is a sacred part of our political heritage. I know very well the impossibility of catering to all the religions, therefore the need to keep it separate. There is nothing wrong with teaching the scientific approach, we just tack on our personal beliefs at home and at church, instead of ramming it down everyone else's throats at school.

For all your intelligence, you seem to miss the fundamental hypocracy of your stands. FWIW, I don't care a bit how you feel about science or homosexuality; what I am offended by is your need to tell me what I need to think. I think you are a flaming hypocrite to preach tolerance in one thread and run in here the next and jump on a soapbox with intolerance. I think you are arrogant to suggest I need to pull my head out of the sand when you can't clear the silicon from your own eyes.

"We can't teach religion at school!" What are you afraid of? That some religious kid will beat you up or rape you? What is this religious fear? Why shouldn't they work to forward their beliefs? I can understand how religious families feel when a secular holiday excludes them, change the holidays!  "We need to be more toooooleraaaant about religion!" Funny how the argument seems so wrong when it doesn't support you, eh?

You aren't about tolerance, you aren't about improving society, you aren't about anything noble at all, you're just a self-serving hypocrite- just like the rest of us. The difference between us is I know it.

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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2002, 09:22:32 PM »
OK wiseguys who created evolution?

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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2002, 09:41:23 PM »
"OK wiseguys who created evolution?"

  It was Yamaha.

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« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2002, 09:55:24 PM »
evolution explains what happens to life as it adjusts to it's environment through the generations(by means of mutations which are either successful or not). it is pure speculation to project it so far back that you think you can use it to explain the origin of life.

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« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2002, 10:08:46 PM »
What if I were to tell you that a vessel with a methane atmosphere (primordial) and a soup of preorganic compounds (known to exist on other planets pre life) that was zapped by high voltage electricity (lightning) produced nucleotides. A group of nucleotides make DNA. All this was accomplished over about 72 hours in a lab. What do you think nature could do in 4.5 billion years?

the probability of that happening would be like a tornado tearing up a junkyard and assembling a 747.

I'm not for OR against the theory of evolution, but it ticks me off when people try to force it on others.  Same goes for the Biblical story of Creation.  Just lay your cards on the table, let others view them at their leisure, dont shove it down their throat!  I can't stand that from either side.  Let the facts speak for themselves, no one wants to believe something that is forced on them IMO.  I have a friend who does that.  Out of nowhere he will start a conversation just to argue against evolution.  Theres no purpose in that.  IMO one should offer religion/theories/ideas and not force them and demand they are correct.  It all comes down to their morals and principals.   blah


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« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2002, 10:31:05 PM »
Creationism is the belief that some higher power created us?

Evolutionism is that life created life created itself?

It's funny, but no one is any more right or wrong than the next guy- but you'll still see people arguing over who is right and who is wrong.

I got my own ideas, but they are just that.

Argue when you got some facts, otherwise what's the point?
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« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2002, 11:10:35 PM »
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Argue when you got some facts, otherwise what's the point?
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Why spoil a good argument with facts? ;)
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« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2002, 11:26:02 PM »
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Evolution happened. <----Period




Your opinion.  <-----Period


  Christains don't like your and yours forcing YOUR belief into schools and at thier children any more than you want THEM forcing thier beliefs at your kids.  

  It shouldn't be a problem.  Teach both in public schools and let PARENTS shoulder the responsiblity of making sure THIER kids now the difference between B.S. and Reality (notice I did not specifiy which is which).

  The problem today is not whether or not creationism or evolution should or should not be taught in public school.  The problem is Parents needs to get off thier lazy tulips and stop expecting the U.S. Government to raise thier kids.
"Dogfighting is useless"  :Erich Hartmann