WTG rooks! nice team work!

[eskimo2]

Ripsnort,
Your Alive!
I noticed that you have been away from the BB for the past few days, much unlike you.  I hadn't recalled ever checking the BB without seeing you post within the past hour, so naturally, I figured that you had died.

Hehe  

eskimo

[lazs2]

well ripsnore.. I'm sure the irony and hypocracy of what you say is not lost on anyone.

This thread is just one of many of the sky accountant and self proclaimed Supreme commander class.  If eveyone doesn't play capture the flag these guys come unglued on a regular basis.  

There is a difference in what I want and what they want besides the obvious "goals".   I only want a place to do as I like.   They want to force people to play as they like.

If I wanted teamwork and organization I woulda stayed at work and made the money.
lazs

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by eskimo2
Ripsnort,
Your Alive!
I noticed that you have been away from the BB for the past few days, much unlike you.  I hadn't recalled ever checking the BB without seeing you post within the past hour, so naturally, I figured that you had died.

Hehe  

eskimo

Didn't think anyone noticed!  I was heading to Florida on Thursday morning for a sick relative, granny, but she slipped into a coma, and my mom had my sisters with her to comfort...so I stayed home.  I'm back up and posting now though!

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by lazs2
If eveyone doesn't play capture the flag these guys come unglued on a regular basis.  
 

I understand that Laz, actually, you hear on Knights channel alot of folks calling for this and that, and getting rather irate if folks don't do things their way.  I just squelch them rather than trying to squeak and moan my way into convincing Hitech to change the gameplay.  And if you were in my squad, you'd know that I like to furball some days, and capture other days.  I'm am certainly not one-dimensional like you.  I fly them all, I drive them all, I furball, I capture, I drive boats.

[batdog]

Sorry to hear that Ripsnort.  

I have NO desire to be limited to what I can fly for whatever reason. I enjoy strat sometimes and I enjoy FBing sometimes or abit of both. GB's happen...get use to it. This IS NOT the miltary w/a clear cut Chain of Command...its a on-line game w/pep's from all differnet walks of life w/diferent desires/expectations of what FUN is.

You guys take yourselfs and this game wayyyyy to seriously sometimes.

xBAT

[Ripsnort]

Agree with you Batdog!

Chicken pot pie is the ONLY thing that should be taken seriously!

[Vortex]

Originally posted by Widewing



The fact remains, however, that even with the limited resources available, it is not a major challenge to defeat a disorganized enemy. I could write a volume on what's wrong and how to fix it. I could write a detailed methodology describing exactly how this can be accomplished. Yet, I have no motivation to do so. simply because it would largely fall upon deaf ears. I also realize that this situation bothers me because I'm the type who would want to create organization where chaos exists.

To a degree this gets back to the point I mentioned earlier about getting involved with a group of similar ilk. I think the game proves much more enjoyable for organizationally minded folks like yourself if you can, at minimum, interact with a squad (or squads) that has similar goals. Because try as you might you are exactly right, much of what you say will fall on deaf ears if spoken to the player base generally.

I think that's the beauty of the MA. It does, after all, allow for all these varying mindsets to interact. I can wander around doing what I like without a care or worry to the overriding strategy, who wins/loses, etc. At the same time those that prefer a more organized format can do that via missions, etc. What's very important for the latter, however, is to realize the limitations. Point being not everyone wants to play a part in your grand strategy, and with those that do you're going to find a percentage that think your strategy is wrong and theirs is right. A further decrease in the resource pool. Therefore set the goals accordingly. Instead of one HUGE mission make 3 smaller ones. You won't win the war immediately but its a good compromise allowing you to act.

That may not be possible, but it can be managed. Here's my solution: Attrition.

To be honest I'm not a big fan of it. Like Apache said, if its in a different arena then no worries. I like the frivolous furballing that is available in MA and its a big part of why I keep paying my monthly fee. The more structured one tries to make my play, the less likely I am to keep paying that monthly fee. I certainly don't mind that part of the game, I just don't want to be forced down a specific path which is effectively what we're talking about here.

Ex: the "I want to live" approach to play would be a cornerstone of an attrition system. That's not at all fun imo, nor does it promote better gameplay...Correction, it doesn't promote better gameplay in MY mind's eye.

Again, I think the key for folks who like to immerse themselves in the grand strategic possibilities of the game is to set ones goals small. Make missions for 10 people not 50. Ignore what other folks are doing...or not doing. You can't change it anyway so why frustrate yourself trying? Keep the flow of missions rolling regardless of success or failure. If the prior, you'll find the masses flocking to your aid in short order as a format for easy kills starts to present itself (and you can try some of those big missions then if you like). If the latter, *shrug*, you win some and lose some. Throw together another and try again. The fun should be had in the journey, not the end.

My two bits anywhoo.

[lazs2]

vortex... can you please send me the address for the.. "speaking to the hyper sensitive"   home study course that you took?
lazs
The "lazshole"
Public Relations Officer of the BK's
"your mom lied, nobody likes you"

[Arfann]

I've been switching around between countries lately, and I can tell you changing sides won't eliminate the lemming effect.  It happens everywhere. So when the lemmings finally realize their other front is being rolled up the "gang-bang" claims start up.  A simple glance at the bar dar will normally show these as simply untrue. Plenty of action going on between the other countries.  If you want to avoid all of this you must come join we elite few in the CT. Got my elitist butt handed to me several times just last night!

GronK

[pimpjoe]

i understand people like to furball, hell thats pretty much all i do. but cant we furball against both bish and knights at the same time, instead of gangbanging 1 side and get gangbanged on the other?

[Goth]

Debated on whether I would put in my 2 cents or not, but here I am anyway.

At times I like purefurball, and there are times I like to strat the game. I was, however, one of the few down south asking for a solid hour for people to help down south. I pointed out the fact that once the base was gone, the port would fall next. I pointed out the fact that once those are gone, the south end gets rolled up into a tight ball of a corner, and that's when I get upset.

Generally, the numbers balance. But when I log on after a hard day at work to relax (like you can really relax playing this game), I find the rooks continually painted in one small corner with 3 bases getting gang-raped. It gets old....quick.

I feel like I'm swimming in a huge school of hammerheads, and oh yeah, the boat captain just threw some chum in the water. Daily it becomes a battle just to get off the runway, and even though I fly a game I am a competitve person. It irritates me that I have to fly against 200 people, (okay, slight stretch of the truth, but you know what I mean). If I were to just get disgusted and log off, I would never be able to fly.

Yes, rooks are IMO getting better skilled at this because we do consistantly fight the odds, at least in the time slot I fly. Yes, rooks do hold their own.

We all know that perspective is a squeak, and this is mine. Every country suffers the same fate from time to time, I know it's no isolated only to the rook side, yet I haven't seen a rook victory in perhaps 10 tours.

The CT is not an option. Popped in there a couple times to check it out. Numbers too low, plane set too limited, it's not my squads style and I guess it's not mine either. I'm glad the ultrarealists have aplace to escape the madness of the MA...I am, and I have no desire to see that taken away from you guys. But it's not for me.

Anyway, I just had to support pimpjoe and widewing here. I just needed to get it out of my system also I guess. Nothing to see here, move along.

[Drex]

Someone needs to lobby for a strat radio channel.  Will clear up the country channel, and let the strat guys have a more clear way of communicating.  Unless yelling in CAPS works.

Drex

[Widewing]

Originally posted by batdog
Sorry to hear that Ripsnort.  

I have NO desire to be limited to what I can fly for whatever reason. I enjoy strat sometimes and I enjoy FBing sometimes or abit of both. GB's happen...get use to it. This IS NOT the miltary w/a clear cut Chain of Command...its a on-line game w/pep's from all differnet walks of life w/diferent desires/expectations of what FUN is.

You guys take yourselfs and this game wayyyyy to seriously sometimes.

xBAT

I appreciate your view. I too like to freelance from time to time as well.

Let me address a few comments supplied by others.

Apache: I am a senior project engineer with insane levels of responsibility. So, I do relate to your thoughts on the subject. However, I am also keenly competitive. Just two weeks short of my 49th birthday, I still box (that's right, fight) competitively for fun, fitness and recreation. That gets my adrenaline pumping. So, you can imaging that I really hate being pinged just as much as anyone. So, when I show up for any competition, of any type, I want to kick some ass, be it individually or collectively. This is probably why I boil when I see the enemy gaining an edge where they could have stopped.

I can understand that you feel that you're paying to fly the better aircraft, therefore you want to. However, If you are a good pilot, an attrition system will reward you for being good, or smart. The guys who don't care about dying, suddenly will care, or lose their favorite toy for the day. I think it will better balance the arena, and watch the suicide HO attacks fall off significantly.

Xbat: I tend to take competition seriously. A personality fault? Maybe, but that's my nature. Moreover, I want my team to excel. They can do that without giving up any of the fun. The problem is convincing others. Certainly, one can freelance and furball within the context of the overall goal, which is to beat the hell out of the opposition forces. Remember, there are advantages in tying up considerable numbers of the enemy in furballs. At least as long as this contributes to the overall goal at the time.

What really bothered my yesterday was the mindless pursuit of northern airfields. When I asked why this focus on moving north, while ignoring the south, I was told "because we can". That sort of logic makes me crazy in any circumstance.

I only ask that everyone consider their fun within the context of the environment and the game overview. Then, everyone can have some satisfaction.

My regards,

Widewing

[Dawggus]

Widewing, I was one of the ‘clueless twits’ helping to direct traffic up North yesterday, so I guess I should reply to your post.  First of all, you seem very upset, so I guess an apology is in order.  If my actions of moving North ruined some of your gaming pleasure, I am truly sorry for that, and it was not intended.  I certainly subscribe to the theory of letting people do what they want in this game.  Sometimes I like to do something organized, sometimes I just want to furball.  To each his own, its only, as they say, a game.

I don’t profess to be a grand strategist, I only play this game as a diversion from real life, and to have a few laughs with friends, but let me explain my thoughts about last nights situation.  Again, I may have been way off base, but what the heck, it’s only a virtual life anyways .

When I logged on about 9pm EST, the Bishops had about half the map, and we and the Knights about a quarter each.  All three countries were fighting a two front war, which, given the way the map was divided, added up to a Bishop reset in my book.  So, knowing the Damned, a large Knight Squad, had Squad Night on Sunday, I talked to them about moving North against the Bishops, telling them our Squad would do the same.  They agreed, and the race was on .

By the time I logged, we took about six bases from the Bishop, and it seemed like the Knights took about ten, and the Knights and Rooks traded a couple bases back and forth down South.  The map stood at a third Rook, third Knight and third Bishop.  I congratulated the Bishops on a fine defense against a strong two-prong attack and logged.

Widewing, please send me an e-mail at dawg898@fuse.net so we can talk some more about this.  I feel terrible that you are so upset, heck, I don’t think I’ve made anyone this mad in all my years of gaming.  I’d like to make it up to you if there is any way I can!

Cya Up!

[gavor]

Why can't people be nice to each other and just play the game how they want to instead of complaining about how others play?

Apache furballs, cool, good ftrs are always needed. Ripsnort flies caps sometimes, some ppl like GV's, others I see cruising around in PT's quite often. Its called variety and its what keeps us all happy. Every man is different. Trying to force others to like what you like and denying them what they like is how fights and ultimately wars get started.